Police in Nagoya have arrested a 22-year-old man who went into the women's changing room at a public bathhouse.
According to police, the man, who is a vocational school teacher, entered the changing room at the bathhouse in Nakagawa Ward for about 30 minutes from around 10 a.m. on Saturday, TBS reported. He was wearing a skirt, a wig and a face mask.
A woman in the room who thought he was suspicious notified a male staff member at the facility. The man was detained when he came out of the changing room, and held until police arrived.
Police quoted the man as saying,"I didn't go in to see naked women."
Police said they are analyzing his smartphone to see if he filmed anyone at the facility or any other bathhouses.
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Fighto!
What a sicko! Who knows what he was planning to get up to.
nandakandamanda
(Imagination)
Police Q: “Did you go in there to see naked women?”
A: “No, I didn’t.”
Witness statement: “I didn’t go in there to see naked women.”
Legrande
of course he was just there to analyze the bathing facilities
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Tamarama
Apparently he identifies as a bath towel for women's change rooms....
Mr Kipling
And yet some people will tell you that there is no possible danger of allowing anyone to "self identify" and use whichever changing room suits them at the time.
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Hervé L'Eisa
Disgusting pervert.
Patricia Yarrow
The mask did not help, as usual. :-}
nandakandamanda
Is he really a 'cross dresser', or just a clever dick?
Considering the mask, as Patricia mentions, it sounds as if he is a liar, at least.
owzer
It’s the same with all men who pretend to be women and invade their spaces both literally and figuratively.
Fighto!
Very likely to be a heterosexual man who is a sexual predator.
Good on the patrons of the bathhouse for speaking up and getting the creep arrested.
Zaphod
Good to see that common sense remains in Japan. I many Western countries he could have just "identified" as female, and the onsen would be forced to accept him.
Newgirlintown
This, as could be expected, opened up a big ole’ can o’ worms.
Jik7Y
Not a surprise in this current environment.
Cephus
"Cross-dressing man arrested for entering women's changing room at bathhouse."
Perhaps he was looking for attention or bring this issue to people's attention and it seems he was successful. Now people are talking about it right?
DaBear4444
Nagoya has a rather large trans/cross-dressing community. Many crossdressers would like to transition but cannot for various reasons. Most of them wear masks due to insecurity and not draw attention to themselves.
The fact is this person is most likely attracted to men, but just trying to feel like a woman by going into a female onsen. It would be way more dangerous for a crossdresser/trans women to walk into a male onsen.
owzer
By that logic men who do not enter women's changing rooms are very likely gay, but not sexual predators.
owzer
But if he's a "trans" sexual predator, then it's okay?
(cough cough) double standards (cough cough)
Fighto!
Why would that be OK?
Weird comment.
CaptDingleheimer
In Japan, he’s a criminal.
In the US, he’s brave and beautiful (or some bollocks).
The majority of Americans think this should be a crime, too, but nobody dares to say anything because the progressive patrol will try to come after you and get you fired for daring to disagree with them. People who identify as very liberal make up about 9% of the US adult population, but they have the other 90% or so walking on eggshells, and they basically control the media.
I’m glad to see that Japan has common sense yet.
itsonlyrocknroll
This not the first time a man/boy has entered a woman/girls bathhouse changing room dressed as a woman.
I doubt if it will be the last.
The police came and took "him" into custody.
The question is when a "fully equipped" biological man identifies as a woman, insists "he" has a right to remain.
Women and young girls/boys safe spaces will be in danger/jeopardy.
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wallace
In the onsens/sentos women employees enter the men's section frequently.
Mr Kipling
So how can these types of establishments tell the difference between" heterosexual male sexual predators in a dress" and genuine trans women ( a non predatory man in a dress)?
Fighto!
Istonlyrockandroll -
What about gay males using the safe spaces of young boys ie change rooms, sento etc? Surely those boys will be at danger too? There have been many such crimes committed.
M1984FA
itsonlyrocknroll
Exactly that is a huge problem in the US (and now creeping into European countries too), with the introduction of "identity" into gender rules. In a sane world, "identity" would of course have nothing to do with rules based on biological reality. We see the results of this already in sports, prisons, etc.
itsonlyrocknroll
Fighto!
I have a gay/lesbian dear friends both here in Japan and UK, I understand from time to time have enjoyed Onsen where young boys would be present with family.
Gay men in my experience are not podophiles.
Sometimes I have taken nephews and nieces to Onsen's accompanying me into female only spaces.
A biological man still "fully intact" entering a female only area, bathhouses, Onsen's is simply a "red line" for me.
I would be very upset, embarrassed, it would be so unacceptably inappropriate distressful to scream blue murder.
M1984FA,
The politics of Trans identity, where the law will criminalize my resistance to accept such Trans "empowerment" will render women young girls safe spaces obsolete.
That is what we have come to, where it will end.
Brian Wheway
I wonder if bath houses will have to build another area for " other bathers" one strictly for men, one strictly for women, all I can say to the Japanese people please don't pamper to this small minority of people who identify as a x, y and z, the UK has, and it's gone bonkers, my daughter's works in a school, and several children now identify as a cat, the staff have to give these children a saucer of milk at break times, the UK has gone bonkers pampering to this, so please don't change.
M1984FA
Fighto!
That is an unavoidable problem, but it does NOT justify the elimination of female spaces by allowing biological males to self-declare as females.
Fwiw, this insanity exists only in the Western world, and even there it is a new phenomenon. Good to see that Japan is still resisting.
Fighto!
Gay men are "not paedophiles"? They most certainly can be - just as much as heterosexual men, cross-dressers, "transexuals" and so on. Reading crime news around the world confirms this.
Bottom line - sadly perverts come in all identities, and it is incumbent upon the parents/carers of children to protect them - especially in bathrooms, public bathing areas etc.
You are right to be very wary, and on the lookout for these types. You should be equally careful for "fully intact" gay men in male change rooms.
M1984FA
Brian Wheway
This is what they have now. He did not enter a "konyoku", where he would be welcome.
Probably what you mean is re-naming the areas as for "bathers with male genitalia" and "bathers with female genitalia" --- I suppose this will now have to be specified...
wallace
Cross dressers are not transexuals.
https://www.pratisandhi.com/drag-artists-vs-crossdressers-vs-transgender-people-not-as-similar-as-one-might-think/
Blacklabel
The whole idea of “identification” is that it matches a visual representation of you.
if your passport shows 205cm Asian male and no one who sees you believes that from seeing you cause you don’t match that- it’s a problem.
your “identification” is broken or false or purposefully deceptive.
wallace
Blacklabel
How many 205 cm males do you know?
Corey
I think he did it because he wanted to see naked women. What do you think of my brilliant insight?
wallace
Blacklabel
your "face" is the only requirement for ID. Not the clothes you are wearing.
Blacklabel
Who mentioned clothes?
I know lots of 205cm males, not that it matters.
180cm male the idea is unchanged if you look 150cm visually.
and no, ID obviously has your hair and eye color, height and weight and gender and sometimes nationality. Not just your “face”
M1984FA
wallace
What goes on in their mind is irrelevant to the issue of biological men invading spaces of biological women. You can speculate endlessly about how someone else feels; that should have no relevance for rules pertaining to biological reality.
wallace
M1984FA
Cross dressers are not transexuals.
https://www.pratisandhi.com/drag-artists-vs-crossdressers-vs-transgender-people-not-as-similar-as-one-might-think/
I never suggested the man did not do wrong entering a woman's dressing room. But then the comments appear saying cross-dressers are transsexuals but they are not. Just trying to ensure the correct terms are used.
wallace
Blacklabel
Clothes would be the only sign of a cross-dresser.
How many 205cm Asians do you know?
We can say the head is the only factor for ID when presenting your passport to ID. Certainly not how you are dressed. Mostly just a glance at the face which is often out of date.
wallace
Blacklabel
what ID do you have that shows more than just your face? Your driving license, passport, Residents Card, and My Number only show your face.
Moderator
Back on topic please.
M1984FA
wallace
I do not think anyone suggested that. The point being made was that today in some Western countries today he could have made his actions entirely legal by "identifying" as one rather than the other.
As the difference between the two is based on self-identiy, and not on verifiable reality.
wallace
Which country allows transwomen to enter a female toilet or dressing room? Some have all-gender restrooms and dressing rooms.
In many countries there are no laws about men entering a women's restroom or changing room.
Blacklabel
he totally does not get it. It’s intentional, I guess.
obvious things like this shouldn’t need “laws”. The names of things often tell you what they are and who they are for.
Walk into a woman’s rest room in most coutures as a man and you will be arrested, like this guy was.
And as you should be to eliminate this “identify as” nonsense.
the left just struggles so mightily recently to define what a “woman” is.
M1984FA
wallace
Which country? Start with the US. Based on the new version of Title 9, the cross dresser in this story would have been totally legal if he identified as female.
Not sure if this such a thing needs a law. If anyone can enter, then such spaces are by definition co-sex and not "womens" spaces.
falseflagsteve
Here we go, often happens in the West now it’s happening here too, can you believe it?
M1984FA
falseflagsteve
Err, what? He was arrested, which is exactly what should happen.
falseflagsteve
M198
The fact he away in there and thought it’s ok is the problem. Keep protecting women and children from these freaks.
Bob Fosse
Men have been doing this for centuries, dressed as women or not. Ask Mark Robinson.
BertieWooster
Brian,
Life is simple. "bathers with male genitalia" are called "men," and "bathers with female genitalia" women.
wallace
The man was arrested but what charges can be brought?
mikeylikesit
He also didn’t go into the changing room to change or bathe apparently. What is one’s purpose for 30 minutes in a changing room if not to change or prepare to bathe?
Forever a mystery…
Zaphod
wallace
Not simply trespassing?
NOMINATION
I have been reading stories about men dressing as women to enter women locker rooms for years. Hopefully, all who do this are caught and arrested.
Antiquesaving
Interesting that it is 99% one way.
We rarely here about women going into men's changing rooms.
According to the stats 38% of transgender are transgender women and 35% transgender men 25% claim non conforme.
So why is it alway the men dressing as women that want access to everything biological women?
Antiquesaving
Now this "self indentifying" is interesting.
I have far more in common with an Asian male, or a Black male than I have in common with any female, genetically, physically socially, etc...
But I cannot claim to self-identify as a black man or an Asian man but somehow I can claim to self-identify as a woman.
How does that make any sense?
Zaphod
Antiquesaving
Same in sports.... I have yet to hear of "trans men" trying to join male sports competitions, and also suspect there would be much less resistance if some did :-)
Biological differences are real.
Antiquesaving
Well here is a interesting take on things.
A all Trans men football/soccer team in Spain is now playing in the "men's" league. "phenix FC" because despite claiming to be men/boys they did not want to play on biological men's teams (actually they used the invented "cis-men" part of the new indentity politics).
So they play against actually real men and got beat 19-0 yes a football/soccer game with a 19 to 0 score.
And they claimed after "for the fans, Trans men having the right to play their favorite sport on equal terms is far more important than the score"
Not sure what fantasy land they are living in, but reminds me of the "no points" "everyone is a winner" that was tried and have proven to be a major mistake with today's youth now unable to accept any criticism and expecting they have the right to everything without earning it.
TaiwanIsNotChina
You don't notice the transmen. They fly under your radar.
Canucksfan
Whatever the motive, staying in the dressing room for 30 minutes doesn’t help this guys case.
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Burning Bush
You might want to read to the end.,,
Police said they are analyzing his smartphone to see if he filmed anyone at the facility or any other bathhouses.
wallace
Burning Bush
The man was arrested but what charges can be brought?
That is not a police charge. Entering the changing room is not illegal, but it would be unlawful if he filmed while there.
Toblerone
You don't notice the transmen. They fly under your radar.
Oh, come on. How disingenuous can you get?
TaiwanIsNotChina
I bet you as well do not notice short men with high voices.
SomeWeeb
Re: Basically this whole thread
It's a pretty simple case of "Are they doing something Criminal" or not?
If they felt they belonged there it's strange they didn't go take a bath or get in the sauna or something.
So therefor they were either checking things out for the future, or doing something pervy. A phone check
and a background check to see if they have identified as female will tell immediately what was happening. Dudes sneak into places they shouldn't be all the time, sometimes in disguise and sometimes not.
Who does the genital check at the door? Drop trow, we gotta see what you're packing before entry! Nobody would go to a public spa with that kind of mentality.
There are virtually zero trans people in sports of any kind, and all scientific studies have shown that there's almost zero advantage to upending your entire life, taking a bunch of gender-swapping chemicals, and having surgeries to performance in sports. And this pursuit of "gender purity" is just making people falsely accuse anyone who is deemed and outlier, when in fact most of the "winners in the pure gender space" are usually just on steroids anyway. Looking at you Baseball, Football, Oxygen doping Bike racers, and basically every
athlete from Russia.
You know who has biological advantage in sports? Lots of people, people come in all sizes and shapes. Are we going to ban people from basketball because they were born 6 feet tall? But that's disadvantaging all the shorties! Sports are imaginary games we play to pass time and they are as meaningless as they are lucrative to the degree of capitalism they are run under. What designation you play under is as meaningless as who wins a pro wrestling match.
SAME#
@SomeWeeb
You don't seem to understand the problem. Tell me why are there sex segregated spaces? Why are sports divided between males and females?
To ensure fairness, safety, dignity and privacy.
These rules have existed for thousands of years. Males and females are genetically different. Not all men are dangerous or perverts or voyeurs but this is where safeguarding comes into place. We are safeguarding women and girls to ensure their safety, privacy and dignity and to ensure fairness.
Men can "identify" in whatever they want, it does not allow them to use women-only spaces and compete in women only competition. 1 man is enough to take the gold medal, qualify for a scholarship, get an award or sexually assault a woman. 1 man is too much. Men stay with men and leave women spaces alone.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Great, you tell us whether a woman with the testosterone of a man belongs in the women's space.
SAME#
@TaiwanNotChina
A woman cannot have the same level of testosterone of a man except very rare cases of DSD but yes any woman, meaning an adult human female, regardless of her hormone level is entitled to women only spaces.
Moderator
Back on topic please.
DanteKH
Actually this should be very simple. It doesn't matter if you identify as a woman, a girl, a dog, a bookshelf or a fork. If you have male genitalia you go to men's locker and bath.
Plain and simple.