China says Japanese fishing boat illegally entered territorial waters

Cheeky of China, isn't it? Make sure that fishing vessel has some massive LRADs to return any warnings.

Oh dear, a fishing vessel crossed into China's waters. China actually has the galls to complain about, this?? Hilarious on one hand but also insulting on the other. After how China has been acting on the world stage. Crossing every single of its neighbors waters with much, much more than just fishing vessels and then demanding that this is now their "territory", no questions asked.

Pure entertainment….. according to their rules of reassigning borders to suit where they want to go, the global community should be able to go where ever they want in what they think is their territory.

Use it or lose it Japan! Put a base there or China will!

China says Japanese fishing boat illegally entered territorial waters

"Pot - kettle" comes to mind...

FosToday 12:07 pm JST

And that country should give a moral lesson to Japan as his main ally in Asia, as opposed to China and Russia?

I'm glad you agree the US should give moral lessons to Russia and China.

US led media trying to keep away the attention from Gaza and Eastern Europe and open another front in China for minuscule disputes. Another lesson for greed, death and destruction not to follow. Go figure :)

I can see that some of you still come up with the same lines, out of your beliefs and void of any historical factual knowledge. 

You need to reference your embittered statements whatever viewpoint you might have, and the source of your writing cannot be your animosity towards one country, China, which - I remind you, belongs very much to this continent, whereas the United Stated does not.

A brief recap which none of you or any ordinary professor can confute. 

Since 1949 China has engaged in few combat operations outside its borders. The most significant of these was the push back against US and UN forces in the Korean war (1950-53), the brief conflict against India in 1962, and another brief war against Vietnam in 1979. It is now well over forty years since China has been at war. By contrast, the United States has repeatedly embarked on military interventions across the globe. 

As it was pointed out early, in the course of the 20th century alone, Washington has participated in 39 armed conflicts, or one every three years, and since 2000 it has engaged in at least 12 wars, the equivalent of one every two years.

Chinese hostility arises from our alliance with the US which the Chinese see as a threat to their predominance just as the US sees China as a threat to its position as number one world power. 

Given the US spends more on defence than the next ten countries combined, and has surrounded China with dozens of hostile military bases, no-one should be surprised that Beijing has responded to a growing sovereign threat.

Funny that the only evidence hostile to China comes from the Philippines, a country which is run by the son of Ferdinando Marcos, who, previous US administration have helped to find refuge Hawaii after all his mischiefs.

History repeating itself, and now returning the favors I guess.

Not a single country which borders with China, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and including pro US South Korea, has reported these kind of incidents.

FosToday 12:56 pm JST

Funny that the only evidence hostile to China comes from the Philippines,

History repeating itself, and now returning the favors I guess.

The history books show that China is that is ramming Filipino vessels in international waters. Doesn't really matter what the character of previous Filipino rulers was any more than that Mao was a mass murderer.

Not a single country which borders with China, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and including pro US South Korea, has reported these kind of incidents.

China knows there is nothing to be gained by harassing South Korea or the Philippines and the others are in China's pocket.

US led media trying to keep away the attention from Gaza and Eastern Europe and open another front in China for minuscule disputes. Another lesson for greed, death and destruction not to follow. Go figure :)

If so, the US should send more Japanese fishing boats into international waters.

SavioToday 12:46 pm JST

I can see that some of you still come up with the same lines, out of your beliefs and void of any historical factual knowledge. 

You need to reference your embittered statements whatever viewpoint you might have, and the source of your writing cannot be your animosity towards one country, China, which - I remind you, belongs very much to this continent, whereas the United Stated does not.

A brief recap which none of you or any ordinary professor can confute. 

Since 1949 China has engaged in few combat operations outside its borders. The most significant of these was the push back against US and UN forces in the Korean war (1950-53), the brief conflict against India in 1962, and another brief war against Vietnam in 1979. It is now well over forty years since China has been at war. By contrast, the United States has repeatedly embarked on military interventions across the globe. 

As it was pointed out early, in the course of the 20th century alone, Washington has participated in 39 armed conflicts, or one every three years, and since 2000 it has engaged in at least 12 wars, the equivalent of one every two years.

Chinese hostility arises from our alliance with the US which the Chinese see as a threat to their predominance just as the US sees China as a threat to its position as number one world power. 

Given the US spends more on defence than the next ten countries combined, and has surrounded China with dozens of hostile military bases, no-one should be surprised that Beijing has responded to a growing sovereign threat.

And none of this gives China the right to harass ships or planes in international waters.

China patrol boat needs to leave NOW!!!

Its so funny that we are talking about skirmishes raised by Filipinos fishermen to create a case, with no contest whatsoever, pretty much like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 1964, when the President Johnson was trying to convince Congress and the American public that a North Vietnamese attacks from fishermen were unprovoked, until somebody else revealed the classified documents were all fabricated. This is how the US administration started the war with Vietnam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Or shall we go back to the Weapons of Mass Destruction’s story in Iraq (2003), fragrantly lying in front of the whole UN, which led to the Iraq War?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq

Where was China then, patrolling their own waters while Washington was building more US military bases and draining more resources from Japan.

These are the people somebody in this forum is trying to defend.

I am sorry but these arguments simply don’t make sense.

FosToday 03:01 pm JST

Its so funny that we are talking about skirmishes raised by Filipinos fishermen to create a case, with no contest whatsoever, pretty much like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 1964, when the President Johnson was trying to convince Congress and the American public that a North Vietnamese attacks from fishermen were unprovoked, until somebody else revealed the classified documents were all fabricated. This is how the US administration started the war with Vietnam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Or shall we go back to the Weapons of Mass Destruction’s story in Iraq (2003), fragrantly lying in front of the whole UN, which led to the Iraq War?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/18/colin-powell-un-security-council-iraq

Do you have something relevant to contribute? There is video of China ramming and blocking ships and a Filipino coast guardsman who lost a thumb.

Where was China then, patrolling their own waters while Washington was building more US military bases and draining more resources from Japan.

Japan doesn't pay nearly the cost of hosting US forces in Japan, but that's okay.

These are the people somebody in this forum is trying to defend.

I am sorry but these arguments simply don’t make sense.

He says as he posts off-topic stuff.

Off topic stuff are just two of the major lies (Gulf of Tonkin incident, 1964, and Colin Powell at the United Nation 2003) which will always define the country somebody here is trying to defend, and for which there are no answers. 

The reason the world is in such state of death, destruction and violence, from Afghanistan to Yemen (strictly in alphabetical order, and the Middle East in the middle), is that people have no idea what they are talking about, and put their interests fist, clearly supported to spread propaganda.

The Asahi Shimbun is very clear on this, America is not a credible ally anymore with their support of Israel:

https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/15404419

There is no space in Asia for those heinous plans, shifting the attention from Eastern Europe to Middle East, with groundless accusations. You have created already enough damage for generations to come.

FosToday 03:54 pm JST

The Asahi Shimbun is very clear on this, America is not a credible ally anymore with their support of Israel:

https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/15404419

Sounds like a real gem of a writer: you can't heckin spend 0.5% of gdp on missiles!!!

Japan doesn't pay nearly the cost of hosting US forces in Japan, but that's okay.

It pays more than two-thirds.

The total cost of the US overseas bases is about $25 billion. If the US closed those bases the savings would be minute.

Or shall we go back to the Weapons of Mass Destruction’s story in Iraq (2003), flagrantly lying in front of the whole UN, which led to the Iraq War?

For every Bush and Cheaney, are there just as many Franklin Roosevelts who might be morally justified in his lying and deception in order to aid Britain during the early stages of WWII? I doubt it, but there are examples of Dean Acheson, John Foster Dulles, and Dwight Eisenhower, who may have engaged in lying and deception in order to avoid wars. 

Since 1949 China has engaged in few combat operations outside its borders. The most significant of these was the push back against US and UN forces in the Korean war (1950-53),

As we can see, some of the posters here have a hard time and struggle in distinguishing between ramming boats in the South China Seas and for example, dropping 6000 bombs in 6 days in Gaza. The former is obviously much much worse to them. Compared to the 29,000 bombs dropped on Iraq by the US and UK collectively, coast guards shooting water canons is clearly more evil according to their logic.

Its so funny that we are talking about skirmishes raised by Filipinos fishermen to create a case, with no contest whatsoever, pretty much like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 1964, when the President Johnson was trying to convince Congress and the American public that a North Vietnamese attacks from fishermen were unprovoked, until somebody else revealed the classified documents were all fabricated. This is how the US administration started the war with Vietnam.

Comparing the incomparable indeed.

I have noticed that the behavior of one Chinese person can represent the whole country of 1.4 billion people. In the same way, one US government agency or department equals "the U.S." They are not always one.

There is a lack of military cooperation within a country. Many years ago, China stopped a US warship from docking in Hong Kong. The US State Department and the US Defense Department were fighting each other.

The State Department was very hawkish toward China whereas the Defense Department was in favor of a softer approach. It shouldn't be that surprising that the US military wants a softer approach given their lives are stake if war breaks out.

Also greater military cooperation gives the US a chance to taka a look at and evaluate Chinese capabilities while making US threats more credible (i.e. here is our warship, we really don't want to use it).

quercetumToday 04:43 pm JST

Since 1949 China has engaged in few combat operations outside its borders. The most significant of these was the push back against US and UN forces in the Korean war (1950-53),

As we can see, some of the posters here have a hard time and struggle in distinguishing between ramming boats in the South China Seas and for example, dropping 6000 bombs in 6 days in Gaza. The former is obviously much much worse to them. Compared to the 29,000 bombs dropped on Iraq by the US and UK collectively, coast guards shooting water canons is clearly more evil according to their logic.

An excellent observation, except for the fact that China's not ramming US boats. And ramming is destroying property and hurting people.

quercetumToday 05:01 pm JST

Its so funny that we are talking about skirmishes raised by Filipinos fishermen to create a case, with no contest whatsoever, pretty much like the Gulf of Tonkin incident, 1964, when the President Johnson was trying to convince Congress and the American public that a North Vietnamese attacks from fishermen were unprovoked, until somebody else revealed the classified documents were all fabricated. This is how the US administration started the war with Vietnam.

Comparing the incomparable indeed.

Yes, because stated anecdotes are a non-sequitur.

The total cost of the US overseas bases is about $25 billion. If the US closed those bases the savings would be minute.

They are not paid by taxes and there is 35 trillion deficit. What is $25 billion when there is no physical restriction on the amount of money the U.S. can spend?

Taxes for revenue have been obsolete for quite some time now.

quercetum

The total cost of the US overseas bases is about $25 billion. If the US closed those bases the savings would be minute.

They are not paid by taxes and there is 35 trillion deficit. What is $25 billion when there is no physical restriction on the amount of money the U.S. can spend?

Taxes for revenue have been obsolete for quite some time now.

The money comes from the yearly defense budget of about $800 billion. If the bases were closed the equipment and personnel would be shipped back to the US. Those troops would still need pay and housing. The savings would not be the $25 billion. The defense budget is paid from taxes.

The US administration is draining resources for their bases and military personnel in Japan, and indeed certain dubious individuals, from this country's state budget. Money which can be spent differently for more important social issues.

It easy to create a distraction with China, with the end result to sustain selfishly their own economy.

One example: check the stock price of Raytheon Technologies (Rex) from January this year, the only maker of US Patriot Missiles, a result of the whole hysterics of this mighty China assertiveness together few cryptic fishermen complaints. Naive but not stupid.

Don't trust China.

Unfortunately China seems more resolute than ever now to defend its territories.

Barking like an afraid little puppy will just make it bolder.

FosToday 12:56 pm JST

Not a single country which borders with China, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and including pro US South Korea, has reported these kind of incidents.

You clearly don't read the news (or you only read Xinhua). Do you see a pattern in the below...?

Vietnam:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/02/asia/vietnam-protest-china-attack-fishermen-intl-hnk/index.html

Indonesia:

https://en.tempo.co/read/1290857/30-chinas-vessels-trespass-into-natuna-waters-bakamla-says

Malaysia:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/chinese-ships-intruded-into-malaysian-waters-89-times-in-four-years-report

South Korea:

https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-ships-trigger-south-korea-coast-guard-response-1967434

A Hague arbitration tribunal ruled in 2016 that Beijing's claim to 90% of the South China Sea had no basis in international law.

Hilarious.

China didn't participate in that so called arbitration how can it make a claim

ianToday 10:03 pm JST

China didn't participate in that so called arbitration how can it make a claim

Doesn't matter. China has ratified UNCLOS and is bound by the tribunal's decision.

China didn't participate as it knew it would lose. Which it did.

ianOct. 18 10:03 pm JST

A Hague arbitration tribunal ruled in 2016 that Beijing's claim to 90% of the South China Sea had no basis in international law.

Hilarious.

China didn't participate in that so called arbitration how can it make a claim

Don't show up to court and receive an adverse judgement against you.

FosOct. 18 06:06 pm JST

The US administration is draining resources for their bases and military personnel in Japan, and indeed certain dubious individuals, from this country's state budget. Money which can be spent differently for more important social issues.

Yes, money is changing hands. The question is whether 0.5% of Japan's gdp is really that much of a burden, when the JSDF is already underfunded.

It easy to create a distraction with China, with the end result to sustain selfishly their own economy.

One example: check the stock price of Raytheon Technologies (Rex) from January this year, the only maker of US Patriot Missiles, a result of the whole hysterics of this mighty China assertiveness together few cryptic fishermen complaints. Naive but not stupid.

You seem to think the only thing in western economies is arms manufacturers but we can keep reminding you it is only 3% of gdp.

Some of you, and the various alter ego, are really one of a kind, and I wonder what do you get out of this: spending time in front of the screen, to check on people what they say and write. It is just inconceivable.

Challenging nonsense for one.

First of all the article some of you came up with are not mentioning accidents with China vessels, but minor intrusions (like the one regarding a Japanese ship today), patrolling activities and responses which happen on a daily base for a big square of ocean. 

China doesn't get to patrol international waters at all though. And the videos clearly show rammings and pirates with knives.

Personally I have never read Xinhua, whether you believe it or not. And I am not defending China here. 

What a laugh.

We can back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth. 

Indeed we can.

What matters here is that people like you are bringing a discourse full of hate speech against one country, China, from the point of view of your country, United States of America, which is already involved in two devastating conflicts for reasons that you might disagree, but it is simply what is going on. And you cannot deny it. So you really have some guts. 

The key is to stop belligerant China before it gets into its head it can win the next war. And China is already backing the wrong side in the devastating conflict in Ukraine.

Again you might see it differently, but those are facts that distinguish the modus operandi of Washington (and it not a fallacy). 

Again these are tu quoque and nothing more.

As one guy said it before, we are talking about minor skirmishes against a genocide going on in Middle East just to name one.

"Minor skirmishes" China should not be engaged in if it is an adult country. And China's plus sized coast guard and massive military exercises are not minor.

And I don’t need to repeat to you or to this forum participants who is foraging the weapons to Israel. 

But you will every post.

I don’t need to remind you that the US stock indexes are on all time high. What happened to those economics classes where the teacher main line was “financial markets don’t like uncertainty”?

There is no uncertainty about the US because its place in the world is secure.

You are really one of a kind, and I wonder why would would you not leave happy and cheerfully in your own country, rather than Japan?

Same applies to you I guess.

isabelle, nevertheless those facts need to be reminded again and again to understand the players we are dealing with, and before we make a choice. China has not been engaged in military activity for the past forty years. In that time, the US has overthrown numerous governments and illegally invaded many countries. China has a large and diverse population in areas such as Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. It has land borders with fourteen other countries.

China, it is true, now has the world’s second largest military budget, as part of an extensive modernisation program. Its current defence spending has risen steadily in recent years but is one third of the budget allocation for defence which the Biden Administration submitted to Congress earlier this year.

SavioToday 01:27 am JST

China, it is true, now has the world’s second largest military budget, as part of an extensive modernisation program. Its current defence spending has risen steadily in recent years but is one third of the budget allocation for defence which the Biden Administration submitted to Congress earlier this year.

No one can know what China truly spends but it didn't get the world's largest navy by spending nothing.

Japan is a pacifist country and we don't need cowboys and sherifs devoid of any moral and upstanding. The time when Hollywood was trying to convince people that the Americans were the ultimate heroes are long gone.

Warmongers who are trying to pick a fight in this continent don't belong here. American created enough damage in the rest of the world.

A good video link for the weekend to understand who we are dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wIOqHSsV9c

FosToday 01:37 am JST

Japan is a pacifist country and we don't need cowboys and sherifs devoid of any moral and upstanding.

I'll wager Japan wants to maintain its territory and independence more than be pacifist. It is immoral and not upstanding China that is driving Japan to take the actions it has.

The time when Hollywood was trying to convince people that the Americans were the ultimate heroes are long gone.

Warmongers who are trying to pick a fight in this continent don't belong here. American created enough damage in the rest of the world.

A good video link for the weekend to understand who we are dealing with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wIOqHSsV9c

No amount of tu quoque changes its irrelevance.

There is a reason why China is hated all over the world.

It shows that China is willing to invade Japan, to the extent that pacifist Japan had to choose a military alliance with the United States.

There is no leader who is more suited to massacres than Mao Zedong, Stalin, or Hitler.

The so-called massacres happening around the world today are nothing compared to what they committed.

China's military is not for foreign expeditions, but is merely a violent organization that oppresses the people. This is because there is no country that China has been able to win a proper war with. It has even lost to Vietnam.

No matter how much you defend China, the actions of this backward imperialist country are in no way justified.

The PRC has fought two wars in 75 years which is quite the peaceful track record. Both wars were provoked by the other side. A poor and war ravaged young PRC removed USA/UN troops from its border, driving them back to the 38th parallel. China fought and won a lopsided victory over India in 1962. After making its point, the PLA released all Indian prisoners and retreated to the original line of actual control.

Vietnam was a limited border operation to punish Vietnam for invading Cambodia. Both sides were bloodied and the PLA returned to Chinese territory after one month. Actually the mediocre performance of the PLA prompted Deng Xiaoping to begin modifying Chinese military doctrine and organization as well as greatly increasing the military budget leading to the Chinese military of today.

deanzaZZRToday 06:00 am JST

The PRC has fought two wars in 75 years which is quite the peaceful track record. Both wars were provoked by the other side.

Utter nonsense. Mao made no move to stop Kim Il Sung's invasion of the South at a minimum.

A poor and war ravaged young PRC removed USA/UN troops from its border, driving them back to the 38th parallel.

And China tried its darnedest to use its human waves to push the US out of Korea but failed. Are we supposed to feel bad for running dogs of the Soviets?

Vietnam was a limited border operation to punish Vietnam for invading Cambodia. Both sides were bloodied and the PLA returned to Chinese territory after one month. Actually the mediocre performance of the PLA prompted Deng Xiaoping to begin modifying Chinese military doctrine and organization as well as greatly increasing the military budget leading to the Chinese military of today.

I'm glad you admit the PLA dramatically underperformed. Now if you can just stop your subs from sinking in port.