Japan eyes deploying long-range missiles in Kyushu

Missiles are an excellent choice to defend the nation. They have been used as such by the communists since they were invented with great success.

The southern island prefecture of Okinawa, which lies closer to mainland China, is unlikely to be a deployment site amid concern it could heighten tensions with Beijing, the sources said.

Not China's territory so not sure what Peking would have a right to complain about.

We were just in Yufuin before the New Year. Yufuin is clearly a popular destination for Korean and Chinese visitors. Maybe they can add the missile base to the list of local attractions.

It all sounds very reasonable to us, but it is an escalation nonetheless.

This move should also be coupled with dialog and diplomacy. Regional war is not in anyone's best interest.

Long range missiles are an offensive capability.

What is the ‘emergency’ that long range missiles alleviate?

Seems a bit suspect…

Why advertise where they will be placed? Or why advertise it at all?

kurisupisuToday  08:18 am JST

Long range missiles are an offensive capability.

So are nukes but yet russia has the largest number of them.

Why is Taiwan Japans problem ?

Regional war is not in anyone's best interest.

I think you are quite wrong. You should ask the warlords in Wall Street who run the US administration. Inciting the rhetoric anti-China for the naive Japanese public opinion is what makes those orders of weapons rolling. 

The US represented 37% of global military expenditure in 2023, according to the most recently available data from SIPRI. The White House spent three times more on its military than China, and eight times more than Russia.

FosToday  09:12 am JST

The US represented 37% of global military expenditure in 2023, according to the most recently available data from SIPRI. The White House spent three times more on its military than China, and eight times more than Russia.

And that's a great thing as you don't want weapons production for the free world too decentralized.

Why is Taiwan Japans problem ?

It's most certainly not Japan's problem, and they shouldn't let the US try to drag them into any conflict if China reunifies that island.

And despite all of the shrill and hysterical hyperbole that gets bandied about on JT in regards to China, they have not threatened Japan in any way. The opposite appears to be true, China are using diplomacy to build relations with Japan, and Japan is responding to that - which is good.

So, whilst long range surface to ship missiles could be seen as a prudent by Japan, I'd be using very diplomatic language to justify their deployment.

Japan "eyes deploying"? Really?

Japan has been ordered to deploy long range missiles by the US.

Fixed it.

GuruMickToday  08:50 am JST

Why is Taiwan Japans problem ?

The same reason that Taiwan is also Australia's problem. And many other nations in the area. Any military conflict caused by China to take Taiwan will have massive repurcussions on the entire region. It's not that hard to figure out.

Ossan...saying "massive military repercussions " sounds good but its hardly an explanation is it.

Self serving truism more like it.

IF the US said "Taiwan and China...you two work it out yourselves " there would be a new paradigm.

The US could not care less about " democracy in Taiwan "but they do want to hedge China in.

Japan can be annihilated in 5 minutes by any of it enemies, quicker than train.from Shinjuku to Ginza

Seems a bit suspect…

This is simply the fear narrative that the US feeds Japan to keep them a client state for the US Military complex.

The anti-Beijing hysteria is clearly being led by the United States which is not concerned that China will attack other countries, but is worried that its world hegemony is being challenged

IF the US said "Taiwan and China...you two work it out yourselves " there would be a new paradigm.

This is the spirit of the Shanghai Communique. Instead the USA meddlers have now taken the opposite tact encouraging separatists on the island and pressing the Taiwan authorities to spend billions of dollars on US weapons.

Anyway, getting back to the focus of the article, I would recommend Japan invest in anti-missile systems. PLAN has no intention or desire to attack Japanese territory. It's much more likely that King Kim lobs some missiles Japan's way.

All the anti-American, Pro Communist crowd out this morning I see.

WA4....no...just people with a different opinion, more likely

That’s fine, it just so happens every time the chinese do something, it’s o.k.,

and anything anyone does to Counter it, is considered paranoia…see how that works?

China regards Taiwan as a renegade province that must be reunified with the mainland

With absolutely no justification for this.

by force if necessary.

It will never, under any circumstances, be "necessary" to annex the peaceful country of Taiwan. That is CCP propaganda.

GuruMickToday 08:50 am JST

Why is Taiwan Japans problem ?

Do people really still not get this? I doubt it, somehow.

Aside from the human and moral element of an autocratic state invading a peaceful country -- which many on JT seem totally unfazed by -- if China took Taiwan, it would then control Japan's Sea Lines of Communication, together with most of its energy imports. This would be an existential crisis for Japan, and the government is well aware of it.

And that's before you even consider the fact that China would be able to hold trillions of world trade to ransom, plus control the world's most advanced semi-conductors.

WA4....no...just people with a different opinion, more likely

Diplomacy and peace seekers I would say, less "Wall Street investors wannabe" like. Let's try not to mix economic interests and living in a community with prosperity, without wars

TamaramaToday 09:30 am JST

if China reunifies that island.

As you should now be aware -- since you've been reminded so many times -- Taiwan could only be "reunified" with the mainland under the ROC (Taiwan), not the PRC (China).

Taiwan has, of course, never been ruled by the PRC, so if the PRC ever took it that would be an annexation, not "reunification." The ROC predates the PRC by several decades and is the only side that could claim to represent the "motherland."

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2024/10/06/2003824849

And despite all of the shrill and hysterical hyperbole that gets bandied about on JT in regards to China, they have not threatened Japan in any way.

Only if you're ignoring China's Senkaku threats, cyber-attacks, hostage diplomacy, economic aggression, IP stealing, categorization of Okinawa as "occupied territory" etc, etc, etc.

That is, all the facts.

The opposite appears to be true

Only if you're ignoring the facts.

Aside from the human and moral element of an autocratic state invading a peaceful country

This is what we were saying :) Simply the fear narrative that the US feeds Japan to keep them a client state for the US Military complex.

According to data compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) the United States is by far the biggest arms dealer on Earth, responsible for 43% of all weapons exports from 2020 to 2024. The US transferred 7.3 times more weapons than China, and 5.5 times more than Russia.

In addition to exporting more weapons than any other nation, the United States spends the most on its military, by far.

GuruMickToday 10:06 am JST

IF the US said "Taiwan and China...you two work it out yourselves "

The USA's policy is that this needs to be resolved by dialog between the two sides.

Sadly, Xi refuses to speak to the elected government of Taiwan unless it accepts it's part of the PRC, which is clearly nonsense.

Taiwan's DPP has tried for dialogue for years, but Xi is the obstacle.

How do people in Oita and Kumamoto feel about this?

Yrral

Japan can be annihilated in 5 minutes by any of it enemies,

Who are it's 'enemies'?

Any military conflict caused by China to take Taiwan will have massive repurcussions on the entire region. It's not that hard to figure out.

China re-taking control of a breakaway province is not the same as say, China invading Vietnam, for the sake of this argument (China have shown absolutely no such proclivity, btw). At the conclusion on WW2, the allies gave Taiwan back to China, and it was then taken over militarily by the Kuomintang as they fled the mainland. No election, just totalitarian control of the island. The locals hated them so much, they rose up in protest, and the Kuomintang, as they had specialised in on the mainland, killed them by the 1000s and put Taiwan into Martial law for 38 years.

Real beacon of democracy.

If China take back Taiwan, no-body is going to interfere, including the US, especially with Trump in the chair. The repercussions won't actually be that massive either.

Japan needs to stay well out of it.

deanzaZZRToday 10:14 am JST

 Instead the USA meddlers have now taken the opposite tact encouraging separatists on the island and pressing the Taiwan authorities to spend billions of dollars on US weapons.

Any evidence that "USA meddlers" are "pressing the Taiwan authorities to spend billions of dollars on US weapons?"

(FYI, if you do look for such evidence, what you will find is that Taiwan requests the weapons, precisely to stop the CCP threat, and that there is even a backlog for them.)

encouraging separatists on the island

Xinhua and The People's Daily may not have informed you, but so that you're aware - Taiwan is already "separate" from the mainland, and has been for decades.

Taiwan is a sovereign, independent country, as stated by its government many times:

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2023/08/16/2003804803

Sadly, the CCP and its online cheerleaders appear to be still living in the 1950s.

deployin missiles in your own country, i dont see how this is at all controversial. I dont understand why there arent already missiles in Kyushu. Perhaps the Tokyo elite dont think its worth saving. Well, perhaps Sakamori 2.0 should show them whats what.

So are nukes but yet russia has the largest number of them

..

The article is about missiles in Kyushu not Russia…

Your comment is superfluous!

This is high entertainment. Somehow I feel like I might be getting schooled!

(FYI, if you do look for such evidence, what you will find is that Taiwan requests the weapons, precisely to stop the CCP threat, and that there is even a backlog for them.)

Meanwhile,

"Having in mind the foregoing statements of both sides, the United States Government states that it does not seek to carry out a long-term policy of arms sales to Taiwan, that its arms sales to Taiwan will not exceed, either in qualitative or in quantitative terms, the level of those supplied in recent years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between the United States and China, and that it intends to reduce gradually its sales of arms to Taiwan, leading over a period of time to a final resolution. In so stating, the United States acknowledges China's consistent position regarding the thorough settlement of this issue."

United States-China Joint Communique on United States Arms Sales to Taiwan

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/united-states-china-joint-communique-united-states-arms-sales-taiwan

Anyway, the focus of the article is missiles in Kyushu which has nothing to do with the Cross Strait relationship.

TamaramaToday 10:45 am JST

China re-taking control of a breakaway province is not the same as say, China invading Vietnam

And China taking Taiwan is not the same as re-taking control of a breakaway province.

It would be an illegal annexation.

Real beacon of democracy.

Yes, Taiwan is now.

It is well known that it was a dictatorship, but it thankfully transitioned into a peaceful, modern democracy. Unlike the PRC, which remains a brutal autocracy, and menace to its neighbors.

Taiwan has had free elections for decades, and regularly ranks at or near the top in Asia for press freedom, internet freedom, and other measures of freedom.

You can look up the details if you'd like to learn the truth. Or you can continue to believe CCP lies. It's entirely up to you.

The southern island prefecture of Okinawa, which lies closer to mainland China, is unlikely to be a deployment site amid concern it could heighten tensions with Beijing, the sources said.

Not China's territory so not sure what Peking would have a right to complain about.

Official Chinese media and government statements refer to the Ryukyu Islands as "Japanese occupied". The Chinese do not recognize Japanese sovereignty over the Ryukyu Islands.

If China take back Taiwan, no-body is going to interfere, including the US, especially with Trump in the chair. The repercussions won't actually be that massive either.

It would be a tragic mistake on the part of China to think the US would not respond militarily to a Chinese attack on Taiwan when we train, equip and plan expecting to fight exactly that kind of war.

Desert...all the US does is "prepare for war "

Wouldnt Taiwan fall in 48 hours if China attacked ?

Then what ?

Another long war in a foreign land.?

War will never happen between China and Taiwan. Dream on.

GuruMickToday  10:06 am JST

The US could not care less about " democracy in Taiwan "but they do want to hedge China in.

That must be why the U.S. has supported the Republic of China (now Taiwan) continuously since 1913. That's 112 years of not caring. You have no grasp of what the US cares or doesn't care about.

quercetumToday  11:36 am JST

War will never happen between China and Taiwan. Dream on.

You don't know. We all don't know. Maybe you should be telling that to the CCP.

"China Orders Military Changes To Prepare for 'Engaging in Warfare'"

Newsweek 2/22/25

Isabelle

Taiwan has, of course, never been ruled by the PRC, so if the PRC ever took it that would be an annexation, not "reunification." The ROC predates the PRC by several decades and is the only side that could claim to represent the "motherland."

So what you are in fact saying is that Taiwan would/should be part of China if China was a democratic political system, correct? Which is to say, Taiwan is in actuality a part of China, right?

As for this little nugget:

The ROC predates the PRC by several decades and is the only side that could claim to represent the "motherland."

As you should now be aware -- since you've been reminded so many times, the ROC was a non-elected Military Dictatorship that killed civilians (some estimates are well over 1 million) and communists, siphoned and stole US supplied money and wealth (a pack of thieves, according to President Truman and who Mao Zedong called the "Adolph Hitler of China') and they literally sacked the country of China as they fled to Taiwan, leaving it destitute. This is one of the worst examples of Human leadership in the history of the world, but you like them merely because they have been around longer that the CCP??? You are happy to overlook their heinous crimes against humanity, but can't do the same the CCP?

There's some facts.

You mean some nationalist Chinese scholar made such a claim? A good number of USA based "think tanks" regularly publish eye raising positions that are rightfully ignored.

Official Chinese media and government statements refer to the Ryukyu Islands as "Japanese occupied".

China Orders Military Changes To Prepare for 'Engaging in Warfare

It was Trump kicked off trade war with China and Biden escalated with "Chips War" . Commercial wars were also "War" although it was bloodless but still it was a war against China !

TamaramaToday 11:59 am JST

So what you are in fact saying is that Taiwan would/should be part of China if China was a democratic political system, correct? Which is to say, Taiwan is in actuality a part of China, right?

No, that isn't what I said.

I could suggest that you re-read my posts, but it would be pointless since your intention is clearly to push the PRC line at all costs.

but you like them merely because they have been around longer that the CCP???

I have never said I "like" Chiang Kai-shek or the KMT.

Yet again, you are attempting to replace fact ("Taiwan has never been ruled by the PRC") with fiction ("Isabelle likes Chiang Kai-shek").

It won't work.

Well trump is changing the "deal" with Ukraine's defence that means the same can happen here too. The world must forget the self proclaim "leader" of the world as they gave up on doing just that. Japan must protect themselves and boot out the US from Japan.

China re-taking control of a breakaway province is not the same as say, China invading Vietnam, for the sake of this argument (China have shown absolutely no such proclivity, btw)

Are you sure about that? China invaded Vietnam in 1979 hoping to force the Vietnamese to withdraw from Cambodia. Instead the PLA was handed their backside and forced to retreat. Later on in the 1980s China took some Vietnamese islands in the Spratley's.

You mean some nationalist Chinese scholar made such a claim? 

If it originates in the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences and is printed in the People's Daily it is official Chinese government policy.

The potential enemies don't at first come per ship, because ships are easy and quasi static targets. But if later the potential enemies' invading masses come per ship, of course already any start ramps and missile launching installations have been destroyed. So what's the meaning of that announcement? Maybe it's more for own security feelings and relief or keeping in touch with some business buddies by a generous order and a fat payment.

Wouldnt Taiwan fall in 48 hours if China attacked ?

No. Far from it. The PLAN would face a meat grinder of unmanned systems, subs, mines, missiles and rockets in the Taiwan Strait. Based on comments made by PACOM at the Shangri-La Conference last spring the US apparently has a plan and the equipment to, as the Admiral put it, "turn the Taiwan Strait into an unmanned hellscape for a month", then added " this buys me time for everything else". In the last fifteen years or more that I have been involved with the Navy everything in terms of planning, equipment and training is aimed at fending off a Chinese attack on Taiwan. There are other challenges but in terms of air and sea power that is the hardest nut to crack and where all the effort goes.

The days of conducting a WWII or Inchon style amphibious assault against a well defended beach are long gone. Even the US Marines don't plan on that any more. Modern anti ship missiles and ballistic missiles make an old fashion beach assault like the ones in the Philippines or Okinawa in WWII a suicide mission. The Chinese know this too which is why they haven't tried to attack Taiwan. And obtw, the Taiwanese have their own cruise missiles with range sufficient to reach Beijing. Taiwan can do some damage if China attacks. They are not helpless.

The potential enemies don't at first come per ship, because ships are easy and quasi static targets. But if later the potential enemies' invading masses come per ship, of course already any start ramps and missile launching installations have been destroyed. So what's the meaning of that announcement? Maybe it's more for own security feelings and relief or keeping in touch with some business buddies by a generous order and a fat payment.

All of those missile systems are truck mounted and highly mobile. Also easily hidden. You have no idea how modern warfare is conducted. The Japanese come to the US west coast with their truck mounted missiles every year to train on our test range.

OK. The next time a quote from the Atlantic Council shows up in the New York Times I will mark it down as official USA policy.

If it originates in the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences and is printed in the People's Daily it is official Chinese government policy.

Why advertise where they will be placed? Or why advertise it at all?

Never seen a "Beware of Dog" sign before?

I doubt Trump will protect Taiwan or Japan.

As we all know diplomacy in Asia is totally kidnapped by the US military-industrial complex which incites geopolitical tensions through the constant hype of the “Russian menace” and the "China threat”. Behind the growth of arms sales, the US has created or intensified conflicts and crises in different regions of the world, forcing other countries to increase their budgets and buy US weapons to better serve the interests of the military.

Isabelle

Simple question for you: If China was a democratic political system, would Taiwan be a part of China?

TamaramaToday 11:59 am JST

Taiwan has, of course, never been ruled by the PRC, so if the PRC ever took it that would be an annexation, not "reunification." The ROC predates the PRC by several decades and is the only side that could claim to represent the "motherland."

So what you are in fact saying is that Taiwan would/should be part of China if China was a democratic political system, correct? Which is to say, Taiwan is in actuality a part of China, right?

Anything would be possible if the disgusting CCP were removed.

The ROC predates the PRC by several decades and is the only side that could claim to represent the "motherland."

As you should now be aware -- since you've been reminded so many times, the ROC was a non-elected Military Dictatorship that killed civilians (some estimates are well over 1 million) and communists,

Aw, poor communists. Stopped them from killing tens of millions decades earlier.

siphoned and stole US supplied money and wealth (a pack of thieves, according to President Truman and who Mao Zedong called the "Adolph Hitler of China')

You're telling me people thought spending money on a war not going well was a bad idea? Ya don't say.

and they literally sacked the country of China as they fled to Taiwan, leaving it destitute.

If they didn't remove the treasures to Taiwan they would have all been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution. You should be thanking Chiang Kai-shek everyday for preserving China's heritage in more ways than one.

This is one of the worst examples of Human leadership in the history of the world, but you like them merely because they have been around longer that the CCP??? You are happy to overlook their heinous crimes against humanity, but can't do the same the CCP?

I would say killing 30 million people is a crime that should not be forgotten. Neither should the disgusting the corruption that facilitates the CCP's cling onto power. In any event, Taiwan is the most democratic country in East Asia now so Puma unsmudged.

There's some facts.

Indeed.

TINC

Oh, here we go.

Anything would be possible if the disgusting CCP were removed.

That's a yes then. User name change coming???

Aw, poor communists. Stopped them from killing tens of millions decades earlier.

So what you are saying is - it's OK to kill people for their political beliefs. Aren't you American???

You're telling me people thought spending money on a war not going well was a bad idea? Ya don't say

No, that's not what I'm telling you, maybe read it again.

If they didn't remove the treasures to Taiwan they would have all been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution.

Factually and historically incorrect. Point 1: They stole and looted $200 million worth of Gold and US dollars from the Chinese Central Government in 1949. You might consider gold and US dollars 'Cultural Treasures', but you'd be on your own there. Point 2: The Cultural Revolution didn't occur until 1966, and I doubt Mao Zedong gave Chiang Kai Sheck advanced notice of it in 1949. So that's a XX.

I would say killing 30 million people is a crime that should not be forgotten.

But that's not what we are discussing, is it? You are attempting to change the subject and divert attention from the original issue, which I believe is called a Red Herring fallacy.

Security through strength is a good idea for Japan.

TamaramaToday 03:21 pm JST

Anything would be possible if the disgusting CCP were removed.

That's a yes then. User name change coming???

In the alternate world where the CCP was thrown on the ash heap of history, sure.

Aw, poor communists. Stopped them from killing tens of millions decades earlier.

So what you are saying is - it's OK to kill people for their political beliefs. Aren't you American???

There are political beliefs and then there is trying to throw down the government by nondemocratic means. Communists fit into the latter and the CCP especially did.

If they didn't remove the treasures to Taiwan they would have all been destroyed in the Cultural Revolution.

Factually and historically incorrect. Point 1: They stole and looted $200 million worth of Gold and US dollars from the Chinese Central Government in 1949. You might consider gold and US dollars 'Cultural Treasures', but you'd be on your own there. Point 2: The Cultural Revolution didn't occur until 1966, and I doubt Mao Zedong gave Chiang Kai Sheck advanced notice of it in 1949. So that's a XX.

Two red herrings by you. That gold belonged to the ROC. If the CCP was so big on an communist utopia that would outshine all other countries, they should find their own gold. On point two, I'm sure Chiang Kai-shek had some inkling that communists had no respect for history and culture as the pattern of their Soviet backers by that point indicated.

I would say killing 30 million people is a crime that should not be forgotten.

But that's not what we are discussing, is it? You are attempting to change the subject and divert attention from the original issue, which I believe is called a Red Herring fallacy.

You were trying to tell us that we can never hold up Taiwan as a respectable country because of the crimes of the ROC. I showed you that there were far worse crimes by the people trying to wipe the people of Taiwan off of the map and that Taiwan today is quite different from the early ROC. Not a red herring at all.

A weak Japan would be inviting trouble, especially after all these open challenges and verbal threats by China.

TINC

There are political beliefs and then there is trying to throw down the government by nondemocratic means. Communists fit into the latter and the CCP especially did.

So just to clarify, you think the Kuomintang was democratically elected by the people of China in 1927, yes?

Two red herrings by you.

No, I corrected your factually incorrect statements - that's not a Red Herring.

That gold belonged to the ROC.

Now you have changed your argument. Keep in mind though, the ROC is not a democratically elected government, they are a 1 party totalitarian regime, they were never elected to represent the people of China at any point, so they are just....stealing from the people of China.

On point two, I'm sure Chiang Kai-shek had some inkling that communists had no respect for history and culture as the pattern of their Soviet backers by that point indicated.

Oh, I see, so you are just guessing that CKS may have had some thoughts that are convenient to your argument here? Give me a break.

You were trying to tell us that we can never hold up Taiwan as a respectable country because of the crimes of the ROC

Do you acknowledge that the Kuomintang was a non-democratic military dictatorship that killed over an estimated 1 million people in China during it's rule? Is that factually correct?

That's a good idea, safety first everything else is secondary.

TamaramaToday 02:22 pm JST

Isabelle

Simple question for you: If China was a democratic political system, would Taiwan be a part of China?

Simple answer: no.

The two are separate countries.

The CCP supporters are clearly outraged over this plan. Which means it must be a good idea.

If Communist China, fascist Russia and North Korea can have long range weapons - many of which are trained on Japan - Japan absolutely must, too. Of course the Japan haters will always argue against Japan's right.

No Japan, don't fall in the dirty trick of US warmongering..

TamaramaToday 03:55 pm JST

There are political beliefs and then there is trying to throw down the government by nondemocratic means. Communists fit into the latter and the CCP especially did.

So just to clarify, you think the Kuomintang was democratically elected by the people of China in 1927, yes?

If the current rulers of the PRC are as brutal and nondemocratic as the ROC ever was, the PRC has nothing to offer Taiwan.

Two red herrings by you.

No, I corrected your factually incorrect statements - that's not a Red Herring.

You corrected nothing.

That gold belonged to the ROC.

Now you have changed your argument. Keep in mind though, the ROC is not a democratically elected government, they are a 1 party totalitarian regime, they were never elected to represent the people of China at any point, so they are just....stealing from the people of China.

The CCP was not a democratically elected government either. CKS was under no obligation to hand over anything to an even more disgusting group of characters than himself.

On point two, I'm sure Chiang Kai-shek had some inkling that communists had no respect for history and culture as the pattern of their Soviet backers by that point indicated.

Oh, I see, so you are just guessing that CKS may have had some thoughts that are convenient to your argument here? Give me a break.

The assault on russia's history and culture happened in the 1920s. I'm no expert on Mao Zedong thought, but I would be very surprised if you couldn't find parallels by 1945. Certainly Marxists are more interested in class warfare than in continuity of culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony

You were trying to tell us that we can never hold up Taiwan as a respectable country because of the crimes of the ROC

Do you acknowledge that the Kuomintang was a non-democratic military dictatorship that killed over an estimated 1 million people in China during it's rule? Is that factually correct?

Irrelevant to whether Taiwan has a respectable government ruling it today, which it does.

Isabelle

Simple answer: no.

The two are separate countries.

So let's say, for the sake of the argument, that somehow the CCP dissolves and the ROC is chosen as the democratically elected government of China, the 2 should stay separate countries?

And just to be clear, history and most of the world disagrees with your position.

TamaramaToday 04:51 pm JST

And just to be clear, history and most of the world disagrees with your position.

History says the disgusting PRC strongarmed and cajoled most of the world into recognizing it as the only government of China.

TINC

If the current rulers of the PRC are as brutal and nondemocratic as the ROC ever was, the PRC has nothing to offer Taiwan.

So you don't want to answer the question? X

You corrected nothing.

I most certainly did - I refuted and highlighted the factually inaccurate claims you made. X

The CCP was not a democratically elected government either. CKS was under no obligation to hand over anything to an even more disgusting group of characters than himself.

Again with a Red Herring. Feels like dinner time. X

The assault on russia's history and culture happened in the 1920s. I'm no expert on Mao Zedong thought, but I would be very surprised if you couldn't find parallels by 1945. Certainly Marxists are more interested in class warfare than in continuity of culture.

Sounding like a very tight argument there too. X

Irrelevant to whether Taiwan has a respectable government ruling it today, which it does.

Still dodging the question. It's not even a hard one. X

 Deployment in Kyushu would put North Korea and China's coastal areas within range.

 But Chinese missiles would put Kyushu within range quite easily. This is one of the reasons why Okinawa-stationed Marines have to relocate to Guam.

 The eye for the eye, tooth for the tooth war strategy doesn’t work here.

TamaramaToday 04:57 pm JST

Declaring the other side's arguments red herrings does not make it so.

Still dodging the question. It's not even a hard one.

I'm not required to answer irrelevant questions.

voiceofokinawaToday 05:11 pm JST

 Deployment in Kyushu would put North Korea and China's coastal areas within range.

 But Chinese missiles would put Kyushu within range quite easily. This is one of the reasons why Okinawa-stationed Marines have to relocate to Guam.

That would be up to the US to decide.

The eye for the eye, tooth for the tooth war strategy doesn’t work here.

I don't think Asia is in any way immune from universal principles of war.

AlongfortherideToday 08:31 am JST

Why advertise where they will be placed? Or why advertise it at all?

The thought of the proximity can rattle people. You can know how little time you have before you get blown to smithereens.

TamaramaToday 04:51 pm JST

So let's say, for the sake of the argument, that somehow the CCP dissolves and the ROC is chosen as the democratically elected government of China, the 2 should stay separate countries?

When the CCP falls, it will be up to the people of both countries to decide how they wish to proceed.

My guess is that they will remain separate but have much better relations, as the irrational CCP threat of invasion will be gone.

And just to be clear, history [...] disagrees with your position.

Sorry, but no.

The history is very clear: the PRC has never ruled Taiwan, but the ROC has ruled the mainland. You can deny this if you wish, but you will look very foolish.

and most of the world disagrees with your position.

Again, no.

Only pro-Beijing countries endorse its position. And aside from Taiwan's allies that support it, most other countries either take no official position, or "acknowledge" Beijing's claim but do not endorse it.

https://www.us-taiwan.org/resources/faq-the-united-states-one-china-policy-is-not-the-same-as-the-prc-one-china-principle/

The CCP also claims that UN Resolution 2758 makes Taiwan part of the PRC. This is also a lie. The European Commission, for example, has recently condemned the PRC for this.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5958398

You are tying yourself in knots trying to claim that Taiwan is/should be part of the PRC, but you are failing miserably. Just as all the pro-CCP posters do.

To defend against which side of the Pacific Ocean? Is the US now actually a greater threat than China or North Korea?

If the US can threaten Canada, and Canadians think the US is a serious threat, who could be next?

Ossan...buried beneath all the other comments...

Hmm... USA does have history in China...on the losing side mainly.

US supported the Nationalists against Mao...had troops involved too.

Get the hell out of other countries would be my advice.

In the above there are so many missiles flying randomly within the japanese residents?

The missiles to be deployed are an upgraded version of the GSDF's Type-12 land-to-ship guided missile, with an extended range of 1,000 kilometers. Deployment in Kyushu would put North Korea and China's coastal areas within range.

A waste of money methinks

 "counterstrike capabilities" to hit enemy targets in the event of an emergency, government sources said.

I read it, nought about the Californian Coastal Patrol being involved. So, please which taxpayers should foot the bill?

I like American people...but the US Govt. stinks.

And US people are thin skinned about the military adventurism of US foreign policy , dressing it up as some noble cause.

Nope.

And more importantly, which nationality should be authorized to press the launch button.

Not only Okinawa, Japanese LDP regime's absurd plan that intends to make also Kyushu area as shield of Tokyo and military target for enemy when the war.

Kyushu has over 13 millions population, also plural superannuated nuclear plants at seacoast where is easily attacked.

This country with also low food-sufficiency rate is unreal to the war.

Isabelle

You are tying yourself in knots trying to claim that Taiwan is/should be part of the PRC, but you are failing miserably. Just as all the pro-CCP posters do.

Not really. My position is that historically and culturally Taiwan has been a part of China for a long time, several hundred years.

You are fixated on the minutia and semantics of the CCP, the PRC and the ROC, which is merely a distraction from the obvious - that China ruled Taiwan for a long time.

That's just a historical fact.

Certainly, Japan needs a broad-based approach to deterrence and of course not just military hardware.

This seems a reasonable 'piece' to the complex puzzle but there will never be a scenario where Japan can actually win a war with China, so it's really a question of how to best deter or prevent one from ever taking place.

Taiwan's test case, and no amount of military hardware there will keep the CCP from acting if they so choose to do so = far more difficult than Japan's situation.

Taiwan is part of China.

Both the ROC and PRC legally and officially claim there is one China.

And if China lost its CCP badge?

Held proper elections ?

Would the US say "OK " ?

I dont think so.

Look at US policy in Latin America.

People HAVE to elect approved parties or US will interfere

The danger of a good example frightens the neo cons more than 10 boogie men

ianToday 08:11 pm JST

Taiwan is part of China.

Demonstrably false.

Taiwan has its own government, borders, air and maritime space, foreign relations, military, political and social institutions, trading relations, passport, currency, dialing and internet codes, and more.

Both the ROC and PRC legally and officially claim there is one China.

Also false. Taiwan used to claim the mainland; now it doesn't.

The DPP government has stated many times that Taiwan is a sovereign, independent country, and this has been its position for many years.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2023/08/16/2003804803

(Oh, and if you're going to play the usual "Well, why doesn't Taiwan change its constitution, then?" card, it is because Xi has said he will invade if this happens.)

No doubt the US the 'ultimate pot-stirrer' globally, but that's being dialed-back now under DJT, as he's VERY tired of failed US interference abroad that just feeds the military industrial complex and the globalists.

Japan needs to step up its own deterrence and not count on Uncle Sam to save the day.

isabelle

Today 08:40 pm JST

ianToday 08:11 pm JST

> Taiwan is part of China.

> Demonstrably false.

> Taiwan has its own government, borders, air and maritime space, foreign relations, military, political and social institutions, trading relations, passport, currency, dialing and internet codes, and more.

> Both the ROC and PRC legally and officially claim there is one China.

> Also false. Taiwan used to claim the mainland; now it doesn't.

> The DPP government has stated many times that Taiwan is a sovereign, independent country, and this has been its position for many years.

> https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2023/08/16/2003804803

> (Oh, and if you're going to play the usual "Well, why doesn't Taiwan change its constitution, then?" card, it is because Xi has said he will invade if this happens.)

As mentioned, Both the ROC and PRC legally and officially claim there is one China.

No amount of deluding yourself will change that.

Taiwan and China are just going to have to 'work' it out, but we KNOW Kyushu's part of Japan!

No doubt the US the 'ultimate pot-stirrer' globally, but that's being dialed-back now under DJT, as he's VERY tired of failed US interference abroad that just feeds the military industrial complex and the globalists.

Umm, what planet are you on?

He bombed Yemen yesterday, has threatened Greenland, Iran and Panama with force, wants to annex Canada, ethnically cleanse Gaza, is supplying Israel with masses of weapons and wants a slice of Ukraine. The only people Krasnov isn't threatening is Russia it seems.

Whatever is making him VERY tired isn't interference, globalists or any of your other dull MAGA cliches.

ClippetyClopToday  08:54 pm JST

No doubt the US the 'ultimate pot-stirrer' globally, but that's being dialed-back now under DJT, as he's VERY tired of failed US interference abroad that just feeds the military industrial complex and the globalists.

Umm, what planet are you on?

He bombed Yemen yesterday, has threatened Greenland, Iran and Panama with force, wants to annex Canada, ethnically cleanse Gaza, is supplying Israel with masses of weapons and wants a slice of Ukraine. The only people Krasnov isn't threatening is Russia it seems.

Whatever is making him VERY tired isn't interference, globalists or any of your other dull MAGA cliches.

DJT's worried about taking care of the US 'backyard' and stabilizing Middle East and Ukraine problems he inherited, certainly not starting new wars with WWIII potential

DJT's worried about taking care of the US 'backyard' and stabilizing Middle East and Ukraine problems he inherited, certainly not starting new wars with WWIII potential

Dropping bombs, threatening peaceful neighbors and teaming up with fascists is an odd way of doing any of that.

"The United States will once again consider itself a growing nation — one that increases our wealth, expands our territory, builds our cities, raises our expectations, and carries our flag into new and beautiful horizons."

You'll have to ask AI to find a whole new set of MAGA cliche$ to help you deal with him not just 'taking care of the US backyard'.

Also false. Taiwan used to claim the mainland; now it doesn't.

You are aware that there is an official English translation of the ROC constitution, right?

Article 4 "The territory of the Republic of China according to its existing national boundaries shall not be altered except by resolution of the National Assembly."

https://english.president.gov.tw/Page/94

Provide a link to a resolution amending the territorial claims of the ROC.

deanzaZZRToday 11:35 pm JST

Provide a link to a resolution amending the territorial claims of the ROC.

I covered this preemptively above, as the pro-CCP mob always tries this line.

You will note that the problem here is, as ever, the CCP - not Taiwan.

...

(Oh, and if you're going to play the usual "Well, why doesn't Taiwan change its constitution, then?" card, it is because Xi has said he will invade if this happens.)

Let's see the evidence.

it is because Xi has said he will invade if this happens

ianMar. 17 08:11 pm JST

Both the ROC and PRC legally and officially claim there is one China.

Someone has a gun to the head of the people of Taiwan.

bass4funkToday 12:22 am JST

Dropping bombs, threatening peaceful neighbors and teaming up with fascists is an odd way of doing any of that.

His way seems to be the better way overall, if making chaos is the only way to get what you need and what's best for your country, so be it.

So if we see russia in Odessa will you agree that your results based approach of allying with fascists was a failure?

The roads around Yufu are really good. Like "best in Japan" good. Anyone else lucky enough to have driven/ridden the Yamanami Highway, Sky Farm Road or Okubungo Green Road will know what I mean.

Coincidentally, in the '80s the roads surrounding RAF Molesworth and RAF Greenham Common were also meticulously maintained and well sighted. I'm embarrassed to say that I've only just sussed the connection today.

Japan has agreed to buy 400-plus Tomahawk missiles from the U.S. The article says that Japan is also eyeing to deploy long-range missiles internally developed in Kyushu. How will these actions by Japan fit in the framework of its war-renouncing constitution?

GuruMickMar. 17  11:32 am JST

Wouldnt Taiwan fall in 48 hours if China attacked ?

The same was said of Ukraine over three years ago.

voiceofokinawaToday 11:22 am JST

How will these actions by Japan fit in the framework of its war-renouncing constitution?

They will fit with no problems whatsoever, as nothing in the constitution (including Article 9) prevents them.

Please guys, article was about missiles on Kyushu, 'Time Out' please. POTUS has issued an edict to silence V.O.A.

Evidence not found.

Sayonara VOA. Your tax gobbling propaganda will not be missed.

deanzaZZRToday 04:25 pm JST

Evidence not found.

You dismiss any links I post, so why not do your own research and read the facts about your beloved CCP for yourself?

You may be surprised at what you find outside of Xinhua and The People's Daily.

Japanese is threatening its neighbouring countries not the opposite. Japanese politicians and warmonger fascist US are creating lots of imaginary enemies. for over 80 years, no one threaten Japan, but wasted billions in unnnecessary weapons.

Speculating that the GHQ’s intention was a complete disarmament of Japan, the then Shidehara government added Article 9 to its draft constitution.

The GHQ had ordered the Shidehara government to draft Japan’s new constitution, but the first draft Shidehara submitted looked almost like the Meiji Constitution, which the GHQ rejected right then and there. There followed exchange of opinions about the new constitution between the GHQ and the Japanese government.

When the new, epoch-making constitution was completed and promulgated, it was welcomed by the war-weary nation it like hell, the day of its promulgation being set as a national holiday.

I think that the war-renouncing Japanese constitution is a gem and can be a precious world cultural heritage, which every nation should emulate and practice.

Every time I read one of these JT articles I have to wonder why the reporters are plain anti-Japanese IDIOTS.

Why is there a need to mention the type of weapons or the exact location of these deployments?

These fools are giving away the info to the enemy.