We want to clearly convey that public drinking is not part of this ward’s culture.

At least you can drink during daytime and maybe on matsuri nights.

Who really decide what culture is not part of that area?

The utter irony of this considering how it's part of Japan's company culture to drink yourself into stupor after work with your colleagues whether you want to or not.

Well, at least we can still do it from 5 am to 6 pm! Hasebe didn't kill all the fun for the sake of "culture" (or the culture of sake).

Haha!! People in positions of authority telling us the complete opposite of reality!!

“There is no place for violence in American politics”, “There is no place for domestic violence in Australian society”, etc

We want to clearly convey that public drinking is not part of this ward’s culture.

But in other wards it is.

People- vote this idiot out.

One wonders under what rock has this weenie been living under for so long?

I would respond that Shibuya's "culture" has NOTHING to do with the authoritarian inclinations of a pathetically weak "mayor" who obviously has no clue what Shibuya is or will continue to be, in spite of his whims.

Who really decide what culture is not part of that area?

How about the local population? unless you can prove the population is against the actions of their elected local government this is a perfectly valid representation of the situaiton.

Well, at least we can still do it from 5 am to 6 pm!

Since it is extremely less convenient and desirable to do that for most of the people this is likely to represent a problem that is much easier to deal with.

Haha!! People in positions of authority telling us the complete opposite of reality!!

This comment is unrelated to this particular situation, the local government is justifying a measure to correct a problem by saying the situation is not desirable and not part of what they want in the ward. Not just pretending it doesn't happen.

But in other wards it is.

Not a problem for the local government of Shibuya

People- vote this idiot out.

What makes you think the local population wants street drinking?

I would respond that Shibuya's "culture" has NOTHING to do with the authoritarian inclinations of a pathetically weak "mayor" who obviously has no clue what Shibuya is or will continue to be, in spite of his whims.

From where do you take that Shibuya's local people do not consider public drinking a problem and wish for the situation to continue? There is nothing authoritarian in simply doing something the locals desire.

Basically you can drink in public in Japan if you don't bother people. Nobody cares about drinking itself. A lady used to push a cart down the middle of the Shink selling you as much booze as you wanted. Some found it a better way to enjoy the journey than rock hard ice cream.

The drinkers in Shibuya bothered people, gomi, noise, fights, getting in people's way, so now it's been banned.

If people keep coming and doing the same things but without alcohol, presumably the ban will be on assembly, not on drinking. 50 people on the street outside the convenience store was the same source of trouble at the Mt. Fuji Lawson, so it is possible for assembly itself in an inappropriate place to be problematic.

Who really decide what culture is not part of that area?

Residents and businesses in that area...not outsiders

The utter irony of this considering how it's part of Japan's company culture to drink yourself into stupor after work with your colleagues whether you want to or not.

The 1980s called...They want their calendar back

Drinking is over rated.

virusrex

It is not the mandate for zealots Shibuya Ward Mayor Ken Hasebe, or local tax payers to decide dictate how central government taxpayers money has to fund dogmatist Hasabe "sin" agenda.

If Ken Hasebe, the local government/taxpayers wants to enact sanctimonious pious priggery, all the costs, from the the policing to crowd control funding, the advertising cost are all fully realised by the local community/businesses.

You call it you own it.

Not a yen from my taxes.

If you virusrex reside on Shibuya Ward own it.

I can't imagine going to Shibuya never going to Shibuya to stand outside and drink.

The only outdoor drinking I do is: 花見、紅葉狩り、バーベキューパーティー

It's a pity a ban needs to applied. But there you have it kids.

It is not the mandate for zealots Shibuya Ward Mayor Ken Hasebe, or local tax payers to decide dictate how central government taxpayers money has to fund dogmatist Hasabe "sin" agenda.

You have not proved the government is acting against the desires of the local population, nor that it is ignoring any logcial refutal of the measures, therefore your accusations can simply be ignored. There is no "sin" agenda, people are encouraged to drink as they like, but on the very profitable business of the ward and not in the street. Pretending this is some kind of puritan measures is naive and obviously wrong, it is simply what the people in that place want to project and support, and they have no desire (nor obligation) to conform to the desires of visitors if they don't want to.

Public funds are used as the public demands, your complain is as valid and logical as someone saying that he don't want any of his taxes supporting schools or hospitals since he has no children and is not sick. This means completely invalid.

If you virusrex reside on Shibuya Ward own it.

None of the arguments used depends on anybody here residing or not on Shibuya, they hold logically by themselves, if you can't disprove them and instead reduce yourself to baseless ad hominems that only means you are recognizing the arguments make sense and you can't do anything against them.

Street drunkenness is anti social, shouldn't be tolerated.

In designated parks/social areas, where outside stalls venders can provide a go to destination, then I see no reason not to allow/encourage such gatherings.

virusrex

With smart management gathering were groups young and old can take a picnic, yes alcohol, wine, some beer, sake should be encouraged.

"steel drinking",

I am referring to loutish, hooliganism, cans in hand "barking" fast food all over the pavement is not tolerated anywhere in this country.

In designated parks/social areas, where outside stalls venders can provide a go to destination, then I see no reason not to allow/encourage such gatherings.

The people in Shibuya see this reason. For example it can be much less profitable than forcing the people that want to drink into expensive bars and restaurants, so the locals see no reason to lose business to accommodate the preferences of visitors.

With smart management gathering were groups young and old can take a picnic, yes alcohol, wine, some beer, sake should be encouraged.

Put that proposal to the government of Shibuya and let them decide then, make a cost benefit analysis and prove it solves the problem better. For all we know this "smart management" is not feasible or economically convenient for the ward, it may even be more costly and less effective than this.

I am referring to loutish, hooliganism, cans in hand "barking" fast food all over the pavement is not tolerated anywhere in this country.

Shibuya's way of not tolerating this is by banning public drinking at night.

Street Drinking. correction.

I am not going to bicker with you, or go "roundabouting" virusrex.

You are fully aware of my opinion on this matter.

There are so many urgent spending commitments priorities that need attention priority, child care, depopulation, getting 18 34 year old to socialise.

To open the parks, for night-time organised outside entertainment , makes sound economic sense.

I am not going to bicker with you, or go "roundabouting" virusrex.

Nobody is forcing you, if you don't have the arguments to defend your original position there is nothing wrong with abandoning it.

There are so many urgent spending commitments priorities that need attention priority

And you can make a cost/benefit analysis to show how it would benefit Shibuya better per yen spent, but pretending these measures offer no benefit, or that someone is doing it by being sanctimonious is not valid, those arguments can be disproved easily and only debilitate your position.

To open the parks, for night-time organised outside entertainment , makes sound economic sense.

To you, that think money should be expended based on your personal preference and have limited (if any) knowledge about the economical and social realities of the ward, at least when compared with the actual local government. When they say it makes more sense to ban public drinking you need better evidence and arguments to refute this conclusion.

All the suggestion you state, virusrex

The costing funding, are all available for you to research yourself.

Published, including goals, initiatives, achievements, Shibuya town development strategy  urban infrastructure Improvement.

Mayor Ken Hasebe crusade waving "banners" diverts attention away from projects that need his urgent attention, growth generation within the community.

Arguments?

There is nothing to argue about?

Failure to take full advantage of "parks/spaces" that could provide night-time "hospitality" carefully sensibly managed revenue streams in the nations capital is unforgivable, especially in the current government spending climate.

Once in a while I see a laborer or security guard who finished his overnight shift having a quiet beer on the train in the morning -- which is obviously way outside the norms. I like it. I wouldn't do it, but I don't work all night, either.

BB, the fishing community Kochi have down times sometimes early in the morning, they sit eat and have a sake or two.

Some establishments open to cater for night workers.

I am sure that a positive solution to the scourge of street drinking is within grasp, self financing, New Year, festivals, and yes night time destination events, without frightening the local community.

All the suggestion you state, virusrex

The costing funding, are all available for you to research yourself.

Ok, done, you are wrong the Shibuya government is correct and their approach makes more sense.

See what happens when you make a claim and then leave people saying this claim is wrong to search for evidence that prove that claim?

You are the one claiming your solutions make more sense, if you can't find anything to prove this is the case the obvious conclusion is that your claim is mistaken.

Mayor Ken Hasebe crusade waving "banners" diverts attention away from projects that need his urgent attention, growth generation within the community.

You still have not proved this is the case, just claim it is without offering any argument to prove it.

Arguments?

There is nothing to argue about?

This means you recognize the arguments that disprove your complains are valid and demonstrate the opposite point. That is what it means not having anything to argue.

Failure to take full advantage of "parks/spaces" that could provide night-time "hospitality" carefully sensibly managed revenue streams in the nations capital is unforgivable, especially in the current government spending climate.

Or they could be infeasible to do it responsibly and efficiently, if you claim the government is wrong by not using this idea it is in your responsibility to prove it. Simply raising the possibility is not an argument, you have to prove it is actually the better option.

Some establishments open to cater for night workers.

And they see a huge opportunity in having a larger clientele now that people can't do that in the street and have to enter those establishments, you are proving the opposite point again.

I am sure that a positive solution to the scourge of street drinking is within grasp, self financing, New Year, festivals, and yes night time destination events, without frightening the local community.

And the city (which have much more access to information and much more interested in acting in the most efficient way for the ward says they are sure the ban is the best solution.

One very negative consequence of saying you are not interested in discussing a matter that you supposedly consider trivial, is that if you are actually very interested in doing it you end up proving yourself wrong by keeping the discussion even after you said you would not do it.

With all the money that has been spent around there, I think they are just trying to turn it into something not too dissimilar to other nearby areas like Omotesando, Aoyama, Ebisu, Daikanyama, Hiro-o etc. - another place mainly for rich people. The kids can go elsewhere.

What makes you think the local population wants street drinking?

Um. Because they do it.

It is a "ban" in the mind of the mayor only. There is NO PENALTY.

If the ¥1,000 per hour old man in an armband or the ¥1,500 African guy in a "security" uniform asks you to stop drinking, just politely tell them to go bother someone who may care. Or to stand over there and call the police if you commit a crime.

Some of us are quite capable of having a beer in the street without starting a riot or turning the city into a war zone.

What dismays irritates is Shibuya Ward Mayor Ken Hasebe complete lack of entrepreneurialism, his solution is to ignore a core strategy that reviews how to sell night time outdoor entertainment to a target market..

We want to clearly convey that public drinking is not part of this ward’s culture.

The solution is shouting out loud

*The Tokyo ward has banned drinking alcohol on the streets and in public spaces from 6 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily around Shibuya Station all-year round.*

The public spaces/parks rejuvenated to offer two distinct levers for a business model, for pricing/costs funding to present an up market location, run for the behalf of the whole community.

With pop up establishments, the dine and drink culture.

Discourage street drinking by offering "local produce" street food venders, atmospheric, the premier food and drink Tokyo Shibuya experience, a pleasure to explore.

It is a "ban" in the mind of the mayor only. There is NO PENALTY.

What penalty do you think was for the ban on Halloween?

If the measures then were a success it is natural to think the same result will follow this time as well.

Some of us are quite capable of having a beer in the street without starting a riot or turning the city into a war zone.

And some people can also smoke in public places when there is nobody else around, that still does not make it wrong to apply the rules in general.

The tone, staring at the floor, the wobbly bottom lip, “No Drinking on the Street,”

Shibuya Ward Mayor Ken Hasebe solution, his light-bulb moment of enlightenment .

To ban drinking alcohol on the streets and in public spaces from 6 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily around Shibuya Station all-year round..

The message is clear, Shibuya Station its surrounding area is a proverbial drunks "can wielding" nuisance meeting place.

The Tokyo ward has banned drinking alcohol on the streets and in public spaces from 6 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily around Shibuya Station all-year round.

Win for bars and other drinking places around the station I guess

But what's the penaty if someone drinks in public?

I'm assuming none as article mentioned none

Anyway it's clearly a part of the culture if they had to pass a law against it (getting out of hand?) and patrol around and actively dissuade people

Just revoke alcohol selling licenses around the station if seriously wants drinking to stop

No problem with this, but how about some other serious issues, such as, African tauts aggressively pulling you into their scam bars, very noisy trucks advertising prostitution bars, etc

I guess that's tolerated,no problem.

Those who support public drinking should. have a look at Kennington. and the streets of LA. Different drug same results.

Well, at least they aren't just doing it for Hallowe'en. I wonder how they enforce it, though, when they can't even enforce "smoking bans". And can you still drink from 5:01 a.m. to 5:59 p.m.? That's a good solid 12 hours of drinking.

But what's the penaty if someone drinks in public?

I'm assuming none as article mentioned none

Likely the same as in Halloween, and that worked.

Anyway it's clearly a part of the culture if they had to pass a law against it (getting out of hand?) and patrol around and actively dissuade people

You are confused by the declaration saying this is considered a problem that they don't support and are working against and the declaration saying this is not happening.