Russia open to hearing Trump's proposals for ending war, an official says

The deal means Zelensky has to cede Crimea and the Donbas

Well yeah, they think Trump will present Putin's surrender terms, but I am not so sure. Even if he did, Ukraine is capable of putting such terms in the appropriate receptacle.

A dog reacts as self-propelled artillery howitzer "Gvozdika" fires towards Russian positions on the frontline in the Kharkiv region, Ukraine,

Poor boy; think how dogs react to fireworks. He looks like he might have gotten used to it though.

Trump has repeatedly taken issue with U.S. aid to Ukraine, made vague vows to end the war and has praised Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Trump, MAGA and the whole affinity for Putin's Russia has always puzzled me. Many in Russia, including in the Putin admin, still hold affection for the Soviet era and are just using the current oligarchic kleptocracy to amass power.

Gave Trump the benefit of the doubt as he does not seem to be the brightest but this is looking more and more likely.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/kgb-groomed-trump-as-an-asset-for-40-years-former-spy-says/

falseflagsteveToday 06:16 am JST

The deal means Zelensky has to cede Crimea and the Donbas

You have yet to tell us how ceding territory to madmen gives peace.

Taiwan

Facing realista is the best way. Name calling etc and all that don’t change anything.

You have to take the best option, all’s fair in love and war as they say. Nobody will be happy with every solution to these types of issues but one that leads to less loss of life and peace locally and globally is better than the non stop carnage we see at present.

Trump promoting Putain's desires!

People still don't get it:

that dictator in the Kremlin understands one language only:

military strength and superiority.

Any peace deal based on Trump's recommendations won't be worth the paper it is written on.

My comment here has nothing at all to do with war mongering - facts have to be faced.

Putain would keep on going after re-building his marauders' forces.

And where would it end? Again "within 24 hours to the Rhine River" (that old still valid Russian doctrine)?

falseflagsteveToday 07:12 am JST

Taiwan

Facing realista is the best way. Name calling etc and all that don’t change anything.

I did not call you any names. I merely stated that if you want another country to relinquish territory to a war criming neighbor (objective reality), you have to tell us the logic behind that.

You have to take the best option, all’s fair in love and war as they say.

We haven't met an animal like Putin consuming all in front of it since Saddam Hussein.

Nobody will be happy with every solution to these types of issues but one that leads to less loss of life and peace locally and globally is better than the non stop carnage we see at present.

The path that leads to where Ukrainians don't have to live under the boot of Putin is the only path to peace.

Taiwan

Some of them will have to live under his boot or move to the other side of what is left of Ukraine.

falseflagsteveToday 08:20 am JST

Taiwan

Some of them will have to live under his boot or move to the other side of what is left of Ukraine.

Shouldn't they fight to make sure they have as much of their land left as possible then? Remember Putin's "peace plan" is Ukraine retreats and then they talk. This is also the guy that went right for Kyiv and Kharkiv and claims ownership of the western bank of the Dnipro.

Trump will capitulate and tow Moscow’s line- just like always. Let’s not pretend he has any ideas of his own.

falseflagsteve

Taiwan

Some of them will have to live under his boot or move to the other side of what is left of Ukraine.

Or they don't agree and keep fighting.

Don't you think that if there were an acceptable agreement to Ukraine, they would have found it already?

Ukraine needs security guarantees if it is to stop fighting, and I don't think Trump is about to offer any.

It looks like Ukraine is going to be lucky just to get some sloppy seconds (if that).

Trump promoting Putain's desires!

No, Trump is building an off-ramp for the two nations

People still don't get it:

True

that dictator in the Kremlin understands one language only:

military strength and superiority.

He also understands that Trump is crazy and unpredictable and now has a Republican Congress behind him something he didn’t have before. That wields a lot of power

Any peace deal based on Trump's recommendations won't be worth the paper it is written on.

If that were true, Putin wouldn’t be open to negotiations. Rule number one: you never enter any negotiation talks if you have the upper hand, never, and no need.

My comment here has nothing at all to do with war mongering - facts have to be faced.

Well, the more you know…

Putain would keep on going after re-building his marauders' forces.

He has his own problems with doing that, the war not going so well, even though he’s winning it, but it comes at a very high price. And more importantly, he lost a lot of his military senior leadership, it’s more difficult to win any war decisively if you’re lacking the proper military infrastructure.

And where would it end? Again "within 24 hours to the Rhine River" (that old still valid Russian doctrine)?

No, but it will have to end at some point, Zelenskyy won’t be getting (at least from the U.S.) the financial support it did under the current administration, his country is in ruins, Ukraine will never be the same again on any level, he doesn’t have a lot of options here.

How many Ukrainians and Russians have died so far ?

Many people and nations want this war to continue because it's only Ukrainians and Russians who are dying.

Good investment as ever for fighting the Russians, just give Ukrainians weapons and let them all die.

And what a stroke of good luck, having a puppet leader willing to sacrifice all of his countrymen.

I suspect the peace deal will give Russia sovereignty over land where it has boots on the ground and include Ukraine never joining NATO. The other options are Ukraine having to unconditionally surrender or nuclear war; both are worse.

I guess we need to thank the likes of Anthony Blinken and Boris Johnson, who told Ukraine not to take the early peace deal Russia offered straight after the start of the conflict in February 2022

https://mronline.org/2023/02/07/former-israeli-pm-bennett-says-u-s-blocked-his-attempts-at-a-russia-ukraine-peace-deal/

It was wrong to “sabotage” the deal and now Putin will dictate his conditions. 

What is clear from the beginning is that Russia could not have the US nuclear missiles bases in Ukraine, same as Washington would not allow Moscow to keep military equipment in Canada. It is a very elementary principle of satellite countries and big empires.

ianToday  09:54 am JST

And what a stroke of good luck, having a puppet leader willing to sacrifice all of his countrymen.

Trying to enslave a people will make that happen. Puppets didn't kill or wound a million russians.

FosToday  10:28 am JST

I guess we need to thank the likes of Anthony Blinken and Boris Johnson, who told Ukraine not to take the early peace deal Russia offered straight after the start of the conflict in February 2022

https://mronline.org/2023/02/07/former-israeli-pm-bennett-says-u-s-blocked-his-attempts-at-a-russia-ukraine-peace-deal/

It was wrong to “sabotage” the deal and now Putin will dictate his conditions. 

Easily discounted as russia was in spitting distance of Kyiv and Kharkiv at the time.

What is clear from the beginning is that Russia could not have the US nuclear missiles bases in Ukraine,

There has never been NATO nukes in Ukraine.

same as Washington would not allow Moscow to keep military equipment in Canada. It is a very elementary principle of satellite countries and big empires.

You have to be a good neighbor if you want good neighbors. UN Charter says nothing about might makes right.

bass4funkToday  09:06 am JST

It's not just Putin that has to be worried about. China may also be emboldened by Trump's weakness.

Of course they have no details of the dea

More than a myth we should ask Naftali Bennet, one of the staunchest ally of Washington, who obviously had to say goodbye to his political career after that.

It is too late for that anyway. Now the dealers are different and the US administration (the military industrial complex) is already thinking to the next battlefront, obviously Taiwan. Perhaps the unpredictable Trump will break this pattern, for the good of humanity.

It's not just Putin that has to be worried about. China may also be emboldened by Trump's weakness.

Hardly, since China is deeply worried about a Trump admin.

“He is ‘pretty smart’, Trump said of Putin during a Florida fundraiser that evening, assessing the invasion like a real estate dealer rather than a former president. ‘He’s taken over a country for $2 worth of sanctions,’ Trump said, ‘really a vast, vast location, a great piece of land with lots of people - and just walking right in’. “

From “War” by Bob Woodward.

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I advocate for peace and diplomacy, I am not supporting Russia, China or dislike US. What I cannot stand is the hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness of the people who don’t look at the moral issues here, the human compassion of what is going on in the Middle East, for instance, and even Ukraine from the start of the conflict.

Washington does not have the moral authority to judge Russia or China activities.

What we see on the economic front in then past two years, and to this very day, is a clear sign of what matters the most in the American capitalist society. 

So, do not switch accusations back and front (delusions, warmongers), because that really denotes lack of basic understanding of how humanity works.

How was Zelensky compelled to reject it?

He wasn't. He chose to. He was probably given assurances that weapons and aid would be provided so that Ukraine would not have to surrender.

There is no evidence that Zelensky was coerced into not surrendering. If we think about this situation logically, Blinken and Johnson could have no method of forcing Ukraine to continue fighting, only surrendering.

Trump may prove this by using the withdrawal of American weapons and aid to force Ukraine to cede territory to Russia. And even then Ukraine may chose to not surrender.

It is very unlikely that he will continue to fund Ukraine's defense.

Fos

More than a myth we should ask Naftali Bennet, one of the staunchest ally of Washington, who obviously had to say goodbye to his political career after that.

Yeah, but if you think he could have gotten a decent deal, you are dreaming. At that time Russia had much more Ukrainian territory.

It is too late for that anyway. Now the dealers are different and the US administration (the military industrial complex) is already thinking to the next battlefront, obviously Taiwan. Perhaps the unpredictable Trump will break this pattern, for the good of humanity.

Dreaming.

I will wait and see what Trump's "proposals" are, but given his conduct thus far I have almost no hope that it will be good for Ukraine - the party that is clearly being wronged here.

Given this, Europe, and the rest of the world, need to step up and help Ukraine more, as the US cannot be trusted for the next four years at least.

FosToday 11:13 am JST

What I cannot stand is the hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness of the people who don’t look at the moral issues here, the human compassion of what is going on in the Middle East, for instance, and even Ukraine from the start of the conflict.

You seem rather sanctimoniously hung-up on morals.

The "moral" situation here is that Putin has unilaterally invaded a sovereign country, and his hordes are murdering, raping and torturing people, destroying infrastructure, looting, and abducting children. No one needs any "moral authority" to see that that is wrong.

Sadly, it would not be surprising if Trump "rewards" such conduct by giving Putin whatever he wants, in a modern day Munich Agreement. Putin will then likely repeat history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement