10 people wounded in shooting outside New York City nightclub

There is “zero tolerance for these senseless shootings," Rivera said.

the country tolerates it daily. if they didn’t, something would be done about it. like shutting down the massive underground handgun market like gun shows where no background checks are required.

Rivera said: “This is not terrorism.”

sure looks like it, though. “thug life” punks with guns have been terrorizing people for a long time now.

Guns 'R' US.

The motive was not immediately known but Rivera said: “This is not terrorism.”

No, just the daily background noise of what many working Americans in the Big Apple and other cities experience on a daily basis.

But you know what recent crime in NYC was hit with terrorism charges.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/23/luigi-mangione-pleads-not-guilty-to-terrorism-in-us-healthcare-ceo-murder

Not all victims are created equally and not all perpetrators prosecuted the same way either.

America where flying and pledging loyalty to the flag of the oldest, most violent, least civilized ME terrorist group(the Scofflaw regime who the ICC wants to try on genocide charges) is something American politicians boast about, just as they long ago boasted about protecting the flags of North America's oldest, most violent, least civilized terrorist groups (Confederacy/Klan) is something of an expert on terrorism. So, if their police forces say that the mass killing wasn't a terrorist attack, you can rule out certain types of people from being the targets, and other types of people being the perpetrators.

…and nobody from NYC batted an eyelash

”Out of State Plates” ; dat means they came over the bridge from Jersey…that’s all the lead you have

Handguns require registration to be brought into NYC. These guys aren't following the law.

NYC doesn't allow anyone with a permit to carry their firearm into restaurants, so people waiting outside are defenseless if there isn't a cop nearby. There's never a cop nearby.

Approval from the Commissioner must be obtained for each handgun purchased under the license. A license contains a description of each handgun possessed by the license holder.

NYC doesn't recognize any other jurisdiction's right to carry laws, not even NY state.

The fact is that owning firearms is legal in the US. There is ZERO political will to change that fact, so it won't change in my lifetime. Attempts to limit ownership and the firearms most often used in crimes has usually failed or been found unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

There are few practical ways to solve the gun violence problem in America. Generally, we see it as "someone else's problem", because the violence is never in our neighborhoods. NYC restricts gun access and that doesn't seem to matter. Just a drive over a bridge is all it takes to get a gun, if you don't have a friend who will deliver it.

the country tolerates it daily. if they didn’t, something would be done about it.

Like what? Abolish the Second Amendment? How will you do that one?

like shutting down the massive underground handgun market like gun shows where no background checks are required.

Remember prohibition? How'd that work out?

sure looks like it, though. “thug life” punks with guns have been terrorizing people for a long time now.

Yes, and for the last 4 years the police particularly in Blue states were ordered to pull back and not to engage criminals aggressively, they need to try and de-escalate the problem and only use their firearms as the very last result if all else fails. Anyway, in 3 weeks the police will be able to do their jobs accordingly

The irony is that the 2nd Amendment was a 'sensible gun control' law until the Supreme Court judges (the same type who in cases of increased rights for women, Blacks, gays insisted that the INTENT of the Founding Fathers had to be considered for those sorts of decisions) inverted AND perverted it into a bar to any sensible gun control.

The first use the 2nd Amendment was put to two centuries ago was to take the guns away from America's extremists

I know a couple of Americans in different places who simply don't want to live there - they are too afraid.

In the last 2 weeks you've had, what, 10 people killed in NY, 14 people driven into in New Orleans, a truck filled with explosives blown up in Las Vegas, a woman burnt to death on the NY subway, countless shootings etc etc.

I can't blame them, I wouldn't want to live there. I refuse to watch American 'entertainment' these days - it's filled with war, violence, crime and guns perpetuating the myths of the right to bear arms, the use of reasonable/justified force, guns are good etc etc. Abject, self-indulged nonsense.

I know a couple of Americans in different places who simply don't want to live there - they are too afraid.

Well, there are plenty of place where you can live safely and in peace, if just depends.

Well, there are plenty of place where you can live safely and in peace, if just depends.

Yes, there are - and none of them are in the US.

Well, there are plenty of place where you can live safely and in peace, if just depends.

Definitely. I've lived in 15 different places. Each has some issue, if not multiple issues. The USA isn't perfect, but it is a big place with millions and millions of locations, each with good and bad. The same can be said about Japan, including the good and the bad.

Once, I lived in a place with active fault lines. Never again.

I lived where hurricanes happened. Never again.

I currently live where there are tornadoes, in the last 50 yrs, historical tracking shows that none have come close to our home. That was part of the consideration for where to live. When we first moved here and lived in an apartment, a tornado came so close as to be heard (sound like a freight train). In my life, I'd experienced 3 other tornadoes that were so close we could hear the freight train sound. Once, two immediate neighbor homes were destroyed, completely, flattened. I think tornadoes can be managed by living in specific places, even if they still happen there. Tornadoes aren't wide-spread disasters. They are like a wide, short, street, and happen near specific land features almost always.

I consider hurricanes, tsunamis and earthquakes to be completely avoidable, so I won't live where those things can happen. Lots of people are impacted and die when regional disasters hit.

Violent crime isn't like those things. It is specific to the people in the area and their lifestyles. In densely packed urban areas, it is much more likely that you have neighbors who would be "undesirable" based on their lifestyles. In the USA, living outside dense city environments is a good way to drastically reduce the chances of gun violence. As lawless people also move out of the inner cities, they bring their undesirable lifestyles with them. The entire family isn't at fault. Usually it is one young male in the house that does this to his family.

I suppose the unfortunate part of this is that economic means will determine who can live where in the USA. That's good for people with more financial capacity. It is mostly about finances, not religion or national origin or race in the USA. Even in very urban environments, people with lots of money (or zero money, but high incomes) will spend 5-20x more than everyone else to segregate themselves and have building security to keep the dangerous types outside and "not on their block".

Anyway, nobody has been violently killed in my neighborhood, ever. I can't remember any break ins during the last 30 yrs either. Violent and invasion crimes don't happen here. At least not yet. Most of my neighbors have firearms. That's part of the culture here. People with kids have them locked up in gun safes, that are cement locked to the floor. No glass to view them. I don't own a handgun. Shotguns are much more effective at scaring anyone dumb enough to break into our home. Trigger locks aren't expensive and only take 10 seconds to remove. If anyone slept near a door to the outside, perhaps that 10 seconds would be important. We don't. It isn't.

perpetuating the myths of the right to bear arms

It isn't a myth. It is the law - further, it is a very high law, up there with freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Changing or reducing any of those isn't really possible, including placing "reasonable" limits on gun ownership.

Laws in other countries don't matter. It is the laws of the US that matter.

If you know of a way to get sufficient support to repeal the 2nd amendment, I'd love to hear it. Seriously. What's your solution?