Israel says it has killed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in Gaza

One evil goes down, however it doesn't mean accountability for 40 thousands deaths will go away.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/un-believes-40-000-gaza-death-toll-may-be-undercount/3305194

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/15/gaza-death-toll-hits-40000-with-thousands-more-yet-to-be-counted

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After all nobody should immune to justice right?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/9/bolivia-joins-south-africas-icj-genocide-case-against

Troops appeared to have run across him unknowingly in a battle, only to discover afterwards that a body in the rubble was Israel’s most wanted man.

Monkeys on type writers. Churn your way through over 20,000 innocent women and children and you finally get your man.

No signs of any hostages in the vicinity either which totally discredits another piece of Israeli propaganda.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-knows-where-hamas-leader-is-but-wont-strike-because-of-hostages-reports/

Sinwar's apparent death would be significant if Israel's aim was the destruction of Hamas, but it isn't. Israel's aim is a genocide and ethnic cleansing to create a Greater Israel via the annexation of Gaza, the West Bank, South Lebanon and more. The mass murder, bombing of hospitals, deliberate starving of millions, shooting children in their heads will all continue and the Resistance will continue to resist.

So he will be replaced by another leader, it's a nothing achievement.

In the meantime, the killing from the last 12 months will scar a generation of Palestinian and Lebanese kids and young men so badly that they will be falling over themselves to sign up to fight the oppressors, be that with Hamas, Hezbollah or whoever. Israel can't eliminate Hamas, because Hamas are the Palestinian people - the symptom of their systematic abuse and oppression and the human resistance to it as a result. That is a very normal human response.

Israel and the Pro-Israeli western media try to trivialise them by calling them terrorists, a kind of over simplified George W Bush-ism, but the reality is way more nuanced than that. People are always going to try to rise up against tyranny - that doesn't make them a terrorist, it makes them a freedom fighter.

Israel's aim is a genocide and ethnic cleansing to create a Greater Israel via the annexation of Gaza, the West Bank, South Lebanon and more. The mass murder, bombing of hospitals, deliberate starving of millions, shooting children in their heads will all continue and the Resistance will continue to resist.

Exactly! Well said Alfie!

So he will be replaced by another leader, it's a nothing achievement.

In the meantime, the killing from the last 12 months will scar a generation of Palestinian and Lebanese kids and young men so badly that they will be falling over themselves to sign up to fight the oppressors, be that with Hamas, Hezbollah or whoever. Israel can't eliminate Hamas, because Hamas are the Palestinian people - the symptom of their systematic abuse and oppression and the human resistance to it as a result. That is a very normal human response.

Israel and the Pro-Israeli western media try to trivialise them by calling them terrorists, a kind of over simplified George W Bush-ism, but the reality is way more nuanced than that. People are always going to try to rise up against tyranny - that doesn't make them a terrorist, it makes them a freedom fighter.

THIS!!!

So he will be replaced by another leader, it's a nothing achievement.

Wrong, it’s a massive achievement. Definitely worth celebrating. Will they replace him, they absolutely will, but given the fact that most of the senior fighters that were involved were killed off, it’s harder to stage a massive strategic attack and that will remain so for a number of years to come.

In the meantime, the killing from the last 12 months will scar a generation of Palestinian and Lebanese kids and young men so badly that they will be falling over themselves to sign up to fight the oppressors, be that with Hamas, Hezbollah or whoever.

And the IDF will be there to usher them the same fate

Israel can't eliminate Hamas, because Hamas are the Palestinian people - the symptom of their systematic abuse and oppression and the human resistance to it as a result. That is a very normal human response. 

Oh, they know they can’t eradicate a movement, but the Jihadists can’t and will never eradicate the Israelis from their land, it just won’t happen, they Jihadists continue to try and they lose each and every time.

Israel and the Pro-Israeli western media try to trivialise them by calling them terrorists,

When you swoop in, kill, willfully rape women, decapitate babies, kill elderly, hold people hostage and torture them for fun, pleasure, that makes you a terrorist and on borrowed time under the Israeli timeline.

a kind of over simplified George W Bush-ism, but the reality is way more nuanced than that. People are always going to try to rise up against tyranny - that doesn't make them a terrorist, it makes them a freedom fighter.

If they’re fighting for freedom, why would they not give their own people freedom and why would they take away their humanitarian aid that comes in from all over the world? Let’s start from there.

If removing the leadership of Hamas meant the end to this conflict then I would be applauding this victory, but the fact is that there are plenty of Sinwars ilk groomed to fill his role. His death, like a dog according to zionists, has made him yet another martyr. Personally, I think broadcasting the drone footage of his death was misguided. The guy was blasted to pieces with only one arm, and he still had the willpower left to throw a metal rod at the drone. Hardly heroic, but certainly defiant.

No love lost here though, apparently the guy was the brains behind operation Al Aqsa Flood and was therefore responsible for the warcrimes that were committed during the operation, intentional or not.

I hope this brings the conflict one step closer to an end.

Oh no! Sinmore wont be around to Find Out anymore!

lolz good game ez

Good news, one less terrorist.

If removing the leadership of Hamas meant the end to this conflict then I would be applauding this victory, but the fact is that there are plenty of Sinwars ilk groomed to fill his role.

Sinwar didn’t want to die. He tried to negotiate a safe passage out of Gaza

His death, like a dog according to zionists, has made him yet another martyr.

But dead still nonetheless.

Personally, I think broadcasting the drone footage of his death was misguided.

Oh, really?

The guy was blasted to pieces with only one arm, and he still had the willpower left to throw a metal rod at the drone. Hardly heroic, but certainly defiant

I beg to differ, heroic and this will give Israel some breathing room for a few years and to bring anyone to a level where Sinwar was at as a terrorist will take years to develop. So this is a beautiful day for Israel. And The Mullah’s are on notice as well, they continue with this, they’re next on the cleanup list, even they are growing more concerned and thinking about possible contingency plans just in case.

karma

I beg to differ, heroic and this will give Israel some breathing room for a few years and to bring anyone to a level where Sinwar was at as a terrorist will take years to develop. So this is a beautiful day for Israel. And The Mullah’s are on notice as well, they continue with this, they’re next on the cleanup list, even they are growing more concerned and thinking about possible contingency plans just in case.

Since Hamas was established, Israel has assassinated dozens of high ranking political and militant figures. The resistance continues. The same can be said for Hezbollah. Sure it is possible that Israel gets some breathing room, but you cant kill an idea. You simply cant.

The death of Sinwar gives Biden an excuse to make the phone-call that the world has waited a year for: time to stop the mass-slaughter and the razing of the Gaza Ghetto. This will be the Americans' and Zionists' last, best chance to stop their genocidal destruction before the verdicts come down from the ICJ and ICC, but it's now too late to avoid the verdict of history that will record a Holocaust perpetrated against defenseless civilian populations, a heinous policy of sadistic cruelty that will damn the name of the apartheid ethno-state and its enablers for eternity.

So Israel is safer now? I hope those citizens can feel calm and happy. And the cost? Not the financial one but the fact that whereas there probably used to be millions of anti-semitics around the globe there are now probably literally billions of people who despise Israel with a vengeance for what has been perpetrated against the Palestinian people over the last year.

Since Hamas was established, Israel has assassinated dozens of high ranking political and militant figures.

Yes

The resistance continues.

And the IDF is waiting

The same can be said for Hezbollah. Sure it is possible that Israel gets some breathing room, but you cant kill an idea.

You don’t need to, but if killing these radicals gives me 4-8 years of peace that’s more than worth eliminating these radicals.

You simply cant.

You don’t need to, just continue to kill the leadership NOT the soldier, then you’ll see success.

So who's now left in the ranks of Hamas to negotiate the return of the remaining hostages of October 7 and the release of 10,000+? Palestinians held in Israeli torture camps before and since the Hamas act of resistance against the Israeli occupiers in the form of the "Al-Aqsa Flood" military operation?

Propaganda puff price to give the war criminals a way out of the mass slaughter they have carried out .

You don’t need to, just continue to kill the leadership NOT the soldier, then you’ll see success.

But historically that hasnt worked. And as we have seen as clear as day, Israel doesnt focus on just killing the leadership. even the killing of Sinwar was incidental. He just happened to be in a building they bombed. Not to mention the continued expansion of illegal settlements and state-sponsored settler violence in the West Bank.

To date Israels strategy of illegal incarceration, forced eviction, occupation, apartheid, blockade, assassination, murder, and dehumanisation of Palestinians has never worked, ever. What makes you confident it will work now?

But historically that hasnt worked.

It absolutely has worked. How many of senior leadership was killed again? Eleven?

And as we have seen as clear as day, Israel doesnt focus on just killing the leadership. even the killing of Sinwar was incidental.

Oh, really?

He just happened to be in a building they bombed.

With the help of intel, you kidding me. If you think the Mossad and the IDF are idiots, let’s look at the scoreboard. Remember the pagers a few weeks ago, over a thousand lost their eyesights more lost their hands and fingers, hundreds with internal injuries. Every time they kill one Israeli, the Israelis will kill 3 of theirs.

Not to mention the continued expansion of illegal settlements and state-sponsored settler violence in the West Bank.*

Hmmm

To date Israels strategy of illegal incarceration, forced eviction, occupation, apartheid, blockade, assassination, murder, and dehumanisation of Palestinians has never worked, ever. What makes you confident it will work now?

Not sure, but I think the two-State solution debacle will never come to fruition. It just will never happen. That puts the Palestinians in a very bad predicament. Time for new leadership, obviously Hamas has done more damage than anything else for these people.

It absolutely has worked. How many of senior leadership was killed again? Eleven?

Yet, Hamas and HEzbollah have continued to operate. In fact just last year Hamas was capable of carrying out their most deadly attack against Israel in history. Hezbollah continues to bombard the north of Israel, forcing thousands to flee south.

Hmmm

Oh, please please provide your hot take on the West Bank.

If you think the Mossad and the IDF are idiots, let’s look at the scoreboard.

Remember when Hamas, a rabble militia walked straight across one of the most heavily surveilled borders in the world and carried out the most devastating acts in Israeli history. At least try to be consistent.

For the record, I agree with your statement about Mossad and Israeli intelligence, they are incredibly advanced, which is why I think they let October 7th happen. Unpopular take. However, from what I have been able to glean about the death of Sinwar, he was killed in a strike against a Hamas target, and his presence was only uncovered afterwards, first by drone, second by IDF recruits. Of course Im happy to be enlightened.

sakurasuki

One evil goes down, however it doesn't mean accountability for 40 thousands deaths will go away.

The accountability is with Sinwar. He did not need to order the Oct 7 massacre, and later he could have surrendered and released the hostages. Note also that the death figures you see in the media come from the "Gaza ministry of health", aka from Hamas.

The accountability is with Sinwar. He did not need to order the Oct 7 massacre, and later he could have surrendered and released the hostages. Note also that the death figures you see in the media come from the "Gaza ministry of health", aka from Hamas.

You are convincing noone at this point.

Chabbawanga

Remember when Hamas, a rabble militia walked straight across one of the most heavily surveilled borders in the world and carried out the most devastating acts in Israeli history. At least try to be consistent.

This well-armed and fanatical "rabble militia" actually filmed what they were doing and bragged about it. Are you suggesting a conspiracy theory?

I hope that a sane and moderate Palestinian leadership will rise up, which cares for their people and for its national interests, but is also ready and willing for coexistence with the other nation. It is time for solving the conflict and for ending its horrors, and for bringing in a new age of peace and prosperity.

Yet, Hamas and HEzbollah have continued to operate.

You can drive a car with 3 wheels depending on the circumstances, but is it easy or comfortable as having all 4?

In fact just last year Hamas was capable of carrying out their most deadly attack against Israel in history.

Again, and what happened to the power structure? Pretty much all terminated, so that incident won’t happen again.

Hezbollah continues to bombard the north of Israel, forcing thousands to flee south. 

And the leaders are on notice, one by one that threat will diminish as well.

Oh, please please provide your hot take on the West Bank.

That’s up for the people to decide and take their destiny back in their own hands, but supporting Hamas has not been productive for them.

Remember when Hamas, a rabble militia walked straight across one of the most heavily surveilled borders in the world and carried out the most devastating acts in Israeli history. At least try to be consistent.

I am and how did that work out for them? Where are they now? Why are The Mullahs worried? I thought they love martyrdom?

For the record, I agree with your statement about Mossad and Israeli intelligence, they are incredibly advanced, which is why I think they let October 7th happen. Unpopular take.

Admitted, a mistake that will never happen.

However, from what I have been able to glean about the death of Sinwar, he was killed in a strike against a Hamas target, and his presence was only uncovered afterwards, first by drone, second by IDF recruits. Of course Im happy to be enlightened

According to whom? Which source?

This well-armed and fanatical "rabble militia" actually filmed what they were doing and bragged about it. Are you suggesting a conspiracy theory?

Well-armed... AKs, RPGs, and video cameras. Compared to any modern military they are vastly inferior.

As for October 7th, there is no doubt that horriric acts were commited against civilians and Israeli military alike.

The conspiracy is how did it happen? How did the worlds most advanced security organizations fail to act? There have been multiple reports that they knew an attack was planned, even knew the targets. Other reports share that border security forces reportes suspicious activity, but their information fell on deaf ears. Something stinks.

“Whatever a man sows he shall also reap.”

(Galatians 6:7)

According to whom? Which source?

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/world/middleeast/sinwar-israeli-intelligence.html

“Whatever a man sows he shall also reap.” (Galatians 6:7)

I take it this only applies to the side you dont like

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/world/middleeast/sinwar-israeli-intelligence.html

Ok, so one source.

Ok, so one source.

you crack me up sometimes

They found him in a regular-looking house. This is why Israel so often targets residential areas, because that is where the terrorists hide, using civilians as human shields.

Chabbawanga

Well-armed... AKs, RPGs, and video cameras. Compared to any modern military they are vastly inferior.

Pretty effective against hippies at a music festival and unarmed local farmers (remember, Bibi passed American style gun laws, fundamentally disarming them. Not like Kibbuzzers of the old days).

As for October 7th, there is no doubt that horriric acts were commited against civilians and Israeli military alike.

I understand there was hardly any Israeli military in the area at the time, only electronic surveillance.

The conspiracy is how did it happen? How did the worlds most advanced security organizations fail to act?

OK, if only that is your conspiracy theory, I give it some credibility. Bibi was in big legal trouble at the time, and an Israel 9-11 type event would certainly make that go away. Personally I do not believe it, but I am agnostic on that. But there is some other wild conspiracy talk out there, including that the whole event was staged by Bibi. I suspected you were in that camp, Sorry, misunderstanding.

But there is some other wild conspiracy talk out there, including that the whole event was staged by Bibi. I suspected you were in that camp, Sorry, misunderstanding.

No problem. That conspiracy is absurd. I am definitely not in that camp.

sakurasuki

One evil goes down, however it doesn't mean accountability for 40 thousands deaths will go away.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. HAMAS needs to be taken to account for their full RESPONSIBILITY

You are right on the mark!

The 40k deaths (most of which are HAMAS fighters actually) is on Hamas' shoulders. Those who were civilians put directly and purposefully in harms way by Hamas have had some justice served today.

Bless the IDF for serving that justice!

John

And the cost? Not the financial one but the fact that whereas there probably used to be millions of anti-semitics around the globe there are now probably literally billions of people who despise Israel

LOL: those antisemites are simply showing their faces aboveground now (including some regulars here), that is all that has changed. Now we know who they are is all.

Fortunately for the Jews in Israel and around the world, and for proud Zionists everywhere, Israel has started (FINALLY!) to IGNORE what the global useful idiots for Hamas think, and DEFEND its people.

Given a choice between being DEAD and having sympathy, or being ALIVE and being despised, WE WILL CHOOSE TO BE ALIVE thank you very much!

Alfie Noakes

Israel's aim is a genocide and ethnic cleansing

Lol, hardly. If so you'd think Israel wouldn't have FULLY WITHDRAWN from Gaza in the early 2000s and forcibly REMOVED THEIR OWN CITIZENS, so that they could give the Gazan arabs a chance to create their own state.

OOPS! That didn't work out very well! Turns out that when given the chance, the Gazan arabs will elect terrorists who will then massacre Israelis.

But back to the main point: Removing their own citizens doesn't seem to be a very effective way to ethnically cleanse now does it, lol

You may want to examine history earlier than 2024 era TikTok in order to have a better logical foundation for such an argument.

As for genocide, this betrays a lack of understanding of conflict. Please name a single urban war zone with LESS than a 2 to 1 civilian to military casualty ratio. I'll wait. And Israel's ratio is LOWER than this.

Unless of course you are suggesting they just leave Hamas in power, so they can perpetrate the next Oct 7

Tamarama

So he will be replaced by another leader, it's a nothing achievement.

Hardly, the more leaders they cross off the list, the more they get replaced by inexperienced acolytes with a poor understanding of how to engage in warfare with one of the best militaries in the world (IDF)

The real key though is to re-educate Gazans AWAY from hatred, as they have been taught for so long by Hamas and UNWRA (check out the rabidly antisemitic palestinian childrens tv shows, where children are encouraged to martyr themselves - oy vey!)

Only then will future peace be possible.

But as for future military successes, that on a FAST DECLINE vis a vis Hamas

Chabbawanga

you cant kill an idea. You simply cant.

You sure as heck can deprive it of oxygen! And you can even do ONE BETTER: provide COUNTER IDEAS.

You see, history is actually full of the back and forth ebbing and flow of ideas.

The real key is to re-educate Gazans AWAY from hatred. You see, teaching children to martyr themselves ISN'T VERY POPULAR IN MOST PLACES IN THE WORLD.

So given that this is the case, there is a VERY HIGH PROBABILITY that Gazan arabs can be taught NOT to teach their children these things.

its an important milestone but not the destination! Keep going!

Tamarama

that doesn't make them a terrorist, it makes them a freedom fighter.

Good heavens, if fighting for freedom means gangraping Israeli women before shooting them in the head, or burning families alive bound in wire, or murdering parents in front of children and vice versa, I shudder to think how you imagine a terrorist.