Federal judge temporarily blocks Trump’s executive order redefining birthright citizenship

Loser

The judge said he’s been on the bench for more than four decades, and he couldn’t remember seeing another case where the action challenged so clearly violated the constitution.

The fact that it is directly contrary to the constitution was obvious, presumably even to Trump. It was a symbolic gesture to the MAGA cult.

And the fight will continue, hope congress takes up the issue

it’s a constitutional issue. you can’t interpret the constitution with the stroke of a pen.

This is a signal rocket for an obvious long-term solution: change the constitution.

Congress cannot amend the Constitution

So, Trump trying to take power that isn't his to grab. Standard stuff. The courts will block this in less than 1 day.

Changing the birthright amendment requires lots of states and the senate to agree.

I actually like the goal of this. Only long term, legal, residents of the US should have their children become citizens automatically. Anyone illegally in the US or on a short term Visa shouldn't be able to create an anchor baby to be rewarded with Citizenship.

No more carrots for people illegally in the US. That policy has failed since before Reagan.

I hope the 14th amendment is modified. If it can be done (doubtful), it needs to happen THIS year or momentum will be gone and it won't have much chance again.

Changing the birthright amendment requires lots of states and the senate to agree.

I actually like the goal of this. Only long term, legal, residents of the US should have their children become citizens automatically. Anyone illegally in the US or on a short term Visa shouldn't be able to create an anchor baby to be rewarded with Citizenship. 

No more carrots for people illegally in the US. That policy has failed since before Reagan.

I hope the 14th amendment is modified. If it can be done (doubtful), it needs to happen THIS year or momentum will be gone and it won't have much chance again.

Nicely stated.

This is a signal rocket for an obvious long-term solution: change the constitution.

It is nothing but a dog whistle for the bigots.

I agree with you @Desert Tortoise. I don't believe in going out of your way just to wish harm for others for no logical reason

Dumb Donald

“This is a blatantly unconstitutional order,” Coughenour told Shumate. The judge said he’s been on the bench for more than four decades, and he couldn’t remember seeing another case where the action challenged so clearly violated the constitution.

Is this also why the Constitution is down from the official white house page? They are really working wonders to keep the public unaware and confused. Not a fan of the NK tactics

Is this also why the Constitution is down from the official white house page? They are really working wonders to keep the public unaware and confused. Not a fan of the NK tactics

They are working on it like every other NEW administration, it will be up, relax, relax.

theFu

Anyone illegally in the US or on a short term Visa shouldn't be able to create an anchor baby to be rewarded with Citizenship.

Why? Why are you against them getting citizenship?

You can shout and pay what you want, the constitution is the base of a country, you cant change it.

It is nothing but a dog whistle for the bigots.

By your math, 195 countries minus 30 countries that allow birthright citizenship equals 165 bigoted countries including the one you live in.

As for birthright citizenship? This needs to go to the Supreme Court once and for all, this is step 1 to get it there.

Blacklabel

As for birthright citizenship? This needs to go to the Supreme Court once and for all, this is step 1 to get it there.

The Supreme Court aren't going to do anything.

""A federal judge on Thursday temporarily blocked President Donald Trump’s executive order redefining birthright citizenship, calling it “blatantly unconstitutional” during the first hearing in a multi-state effort challenging the order.""

No nation on earth or any where else allows nor offers the child of illegal parents the automatic right to a Citizenship.

Some do when all conditions are met or granted BUT NOT automatic.

I hope that congress will take up the issue and start protecting the citizens of the nation and NOT the illegals.

Just what you voted for, right?

it’s what Libertarians voted for Trump to do. And he kept his promise.

sensing a pattern here? Promise kept.

just like a pattern of your off topic posting.

The Supreme Court aren't going to do anything

why wouldn’t they? It’s literally their job to evaluate Constitutionality.

Well, Trump have won two elections against two women now He thinks he is above the constitutional law of the land of the United States of America.

As for birthright citizenship? This needs to go to the Supreme Court once and for all, this is step 1 to get it there.

The US Supreme Court already dealt with this matter in 1898 in the case of Wong Kim Ark. They ruled that since Wong was born on US soil he was a US Citizen nothwithstanding his parents illegal entry into the US and the Chinese Exclusion Act.

No nation on earth or any where else allows nor offers the child of illegal parents the automatic right to a Citizenship.

Some do when all conditions are met or granted BUT NOT automatic.

Wrong. Over 30 nations have automatic birthright citizenship including Canada and Mexico.

It is nothing but a dog whistle for the bigots.

Dumb Donald

Is this also why the Constitution is down from the official white house page? They are really working wonders to keep the public unaware and confused. Not a fan of the NK tactics

More losing....

My heart goes out to all of you.

Wrong. Over 30 nations have automatic birthright citizenship including Canada and Mexico.

Good for them, really.

The US Supreme Court already dealt with this matter in 1898

well I guess it’s all settled then lol

Concerning that birthright citizenship (back to topic):

Melonia became a US citizen 28 July 2006.

Barron was born 20 March 2006.

Baron was not born to an American mother.

How does that work with the immigration laws?

Blacklabel

The US Supreme Court already dealt with this matter in 1898

well I guess it’s all settled then lol

Yup. And since most of SCOTUS are originalists, the history and tradition underlying the 14th Amendment and the 1898 case would make reversal of Wong Kim Ark difficult to justify.

It is nothing but a dog whistle for the bigots.

Any European countries have birthright citizenship?

And the ones that don't--those countries are bigots?

Ireland, Italy, France . . .

How does that work with the immigration laws?

he also has a father, I believe.

And the ones that don't--those countries are bigots?

Ireland, Italy, France . . .

Yes. Famously so. The Europeans are especially tribal, insular and bigoted. That is why so many fled to the New World, especially the US, Canada and Argentina.

Dammit says Donnie.....that Constitution thingy will have to go !

I think the "stable genius " will find many of his "whims "...er...important policies....are really just...er..."whims " that are basically unlawful.

Desert...Mayflower and others left England because of religious bias.

Many immigrants migrate after wars.

Many others seek a better life.

Many US citizens escape US law by moving to Mexico......only joking.

Guess who Trump thinks AREN'T US citizens.....

"In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States, citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship."

Yes indeed - Trump thinks Native Americans, you know the folks that were here before any of his relatives came over from Europe, don't deserve to be US citizens...

As if we needed any more evidence of how deep his slide into dementia is....

citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship."

Well, does the law say that?

cause the other guy was supporting that birthright citizenship is valid with a “19th century law”

lincolnmanToday  10:39 am JST

Guess who Trump thinks AREN'T US citizens.....

"In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States, citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship."

Yes indeed - Trump thinks Native Americans, you know the folks that were here before any of his relatives came over from Europe, don't deserve to be US citizens...

As if we needed any more evidence of how deep his slide into dementia is....

It's on brand. Mike Collins (R-Ga) just called for the deportation of Bishop Budde, who gave the sermon that Collins's lord and master didn't like.

I mean, I know New Jersey is...different, but it's still technically part of the USA.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/trump-prayer-mariann-budde/

Good.

There is word for people who ignore the U.S. Constitution: un-American.

And they are. Some are allies. Many are not.

"In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States, citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship."

True, they were here before a US existed, but as now a sovereign it does make sense

Yes indeed - Trump thinks Native Americans, you know the folks that were here before any of his relatives came over from Europe, don't deserve to be US citizens...

A bit different

As if we needed any more evidence of how deep his slide into dementia is....

No, he’s very clear and calculated

It's on brand. Mike Collins (R-Ga) just called for the deportation of Bishop Budde, who gave the sermon that Collins's lord and master didn't like.

I mean, I know New Jersey is...different, but it's still technically part of the USA.

Sorta, in a way

labeled as “absurd” the government’s argument that the children of parents living in the country illegally are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.

“Are they not subject to the decisions of the immigration courts?” he asked. “Must they not follow the law while they are here?”

Question to our MAGA friends:

How would you counter this argument?

"Federal judge temporarily blocks Trump’s executive order redefining birthright citizenship."

Grab your popcorns coz this becoming interesting. For a start, how many illegals were there in the US in 1898 compared with the current number?

In the end it’s going to boomerang.

if any child born to anyone even illegals gets citizenship?

then deportation and prevention of entry is even more vital.

pregnant illegals must be deported as priority. That’s some pitiful optics so just prevent original entry or deport pre-pregnancy.

and any pregnant “tourist” woman from countries commonly abusing the system is denied entry until after birth.

no more rich people coming to US to stay in fancy hotels with their own doctors onsite to “have birth”

"In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States, citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship."

True, they were here before a US existed, but as now a sovereign it does make sense

So you agree with stripping Native AMERICANS of their citizenship? And where to you think they should be deported to?

Yes indeed - Trump thinks Native Americans, you know the folks that were here before any of his relatives came over from Europe, don't deserve to be US citizens...

A bit different

How?

As if we needed any more evidence of how deep his slide into dementia is....

No, he’s very clear and calculated

He's brain-dead...forgot to put his hand on the Bible...old, feeble, and demented...

Baron was not born to an American mother.

How does that work with the immigration laws?

But to an American father on American soil

If you break the law in Japan as non Japanese you are subject to the laws of Japan, not exempt.

That's not a counterargument at all.

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

--14th Amendment

So if you're born to a person who is subject to the laws of the United States (such as an undocumented immigrant) and you yourself are subject to the laws of the United States, you are a citizen of the United States.

Clear as an azure sky of deepest summer.

As the Reagan-appointed judge said of this order, it “boggles the mind” and is "blatantly unconstitutional".