Australia, Britain to sign treaty for joint production of submarines

Australia, Britain to sign treaty for joint production of submarines

Unless they break the contract like last time with the French.

Unless they break the contract like last time with the French.

the French only offered an iferior diesel electric sub, 7 yrs of waiting and not even 1 sub had stated production, yeah id cancel that as well.

The AUKUS sub will be nuclear, based off tech from the UK Dreadnought Class and US Virginia class

The AUKUS sub will be nuclear, based off tech from the UK Dreadnought Class and US Virginia class

I think the bigger question is whether the AUKUS sub "will be" at all. Alot can change by the late 2030s when these subs are expected to set sail.

Pig Iron Bob would be jumping for joy.

Canberra will get duds and be left holding the bucket.

Pig Iron Bob would be jumping for joy.

Canberra will get duds and be left holding the bucket.

Should have gone with the Russian Kursk subs, I guess?

LOL

The only disadvantage of choosing the British option over the French is the food at the junkets.

or Thresher or Scorpion.

Australia is a big retardant of submarine production. Their Collins class says all, they are amateurs!

Australia is a big retardant of submarine production. Their Collins class says all, they are amateurs!

Definitely not the most prolific sub-builders - but at least they don't end up on the bottom of the ocean like the Chinese ones! (Oh-oh, that touched a nerve!)

yeah id cancel that as well.

The broke the contract and Australia pays $830m in penalty, good job mate!

Fighto!Today 03:37 pm JST

Should have gone with the Russian Kursk subs, I guess?

Or the Chinese ones ;)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26/politics/chinese-nuclear-powered-submarine-sank/index.html

Most of the UK's nuclear subs are in the repair yard. Only one out at sea. They had to borrow an American one to fill the gap.

Ten years ago Australia committed to buy Soryu Class submarines from Japan. Two years later they reneged on that contract in favour of (inferior) French Barracuda class subs. Five years after that they then reneged on the French contract as well and paid nearly a billion $ in fines. Now they've committed to buy Dreadnought derivatives from Britain.

I predict that after the next change of govt. down under the Aussies will rip this contract up too and promise to buy autonomous submarine drones from... Well I don't know. Turkey?

If Japan were already a member of AUKUS - and were producing nuclear rather than conventional subs - I imagine their subs would be far more attractive to the Royal Australian Navy. Kind of a shame.

The optics of a Japanese submarine docking in Sydney Harbour is all wrong.

The optics of a Japanese submarine docking in Sydney Harbour is all wrong.

Japanese Navy vessels routinely dock at Australian ports when on exercises together.

Japan and Australia are allies.

At least Kursk got out to sea before sinking, the Chinese sub didn’t even get away from the dock!

The new subs will not be just the existing designs but developments of aspects of the existing designs, as are all subs.

Doubt if they will be evolutions of the Dreadnought, more likely the latest Astute class hunter killer submarines as that is what the new class will be.

Ten years ago Australia committed to buy Soryu Class submarines from Japan. Two years later they reneged on that contract

No contract was ever signed to purchase old and already superseded design Soryu submarines from Japan. The Australian PM at the time said he liked what Japan was offering and personally favored them.

in favour of (inferior) French Barracuda class subs.

In favor of the newer French Barracuda pump jet propulsion DE submarines.

As the French were unable to get past the design stage and cost projections skyrocketed, with no steel having been cut, the contract that had been signed with France was terminated and paid out as per the contract requirements. The choice was made to upgrade to SSN submarines for the future requirements of the RAN. A sound choice.

Paul Keating was right, he said the AUKUS submarine deal was the first deal ever. He was right, a veteran politician knows the capability and financial limit.

Australia is over ambitious, they are playing an unaffordable game !

Worst deal ever.

Australia is over ambitious, they are playing an unaffordable game !

Australia is a rich nation more than able to purchase and maintain expensive equipment. At one point Australia had 2 aircraft carriers and managed to pay for them fine for decades.

Anyone who thinks Australia cant afford these submarines does not know Australia's true capabilities at all.

Australia one of the few to have held two Summer Olympic games and a third is scheduled for 2032 in Brisbane making it one of a handful to have held three Summer games. Do not think Australia is poor, for it is not.

The optics are all wrong. That harbour was attacked.

The old guy was dropping truth bombs during the Aussie Press Club interview about a year ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2lQvFTmMxU

Do not think Australia is poor

The maintenance and supporting fees can be enormous for long term. Cost overruns as it drags on as time goes by. By the way, when China begins to import iorn ores from Africa, she won't buy those raw materials from an enemy state any anymore !

Now it will be clear which submarines to hunt underwater.

The easiest way to fleece a country’s coffers is through wars and defense

Anyone who thinks Australia cant afford these submarines does not know Australia's true capabilities at all.two Summer Olympic games and a third is scheduled for 2032...

Australia is a big big bubble, it was the Chinese enabling that bubble. That will be gone in coming decades as they will decoupling with your exports especially iron ore. Sell your exports to India maybe,if goodluck !

The maintenance and supporting fees can be enormous for long term. Cost overruns as it drags on as time goes by. By the way, when China begins to import iorn ores from Africa, she won't buy those raw materials from an enemy state any anymore !

Two Aircraft carriers and their additional fighter squadrons cost a lot of money to purchase and maintain. Leasing a third Aircraft carrier when one was in long term maintenance was also managed ok by Australia. Check the history. And China should consider itself extremely lucky that that "enemy state" is willing to sell it so many resources for so long.

Australia is a big big bubble, it was the Chinese enabling that bubble. That will be gone in coming decades as they will decoupling with your exports especially iron ore. Sell your exports to India maybe,if goodluck !

Good luck to China if it thinks Africa will ever be as stable as Australia in the short or long term. Further distance to get those resources from Africa will not be making things cheaper. Australia will find others to purchase what it offers. CCP can pound sand for all we care.

These submarines will cost plenty, and they will be put to good use for many, many years and be replaced by another generation of SSN's when that time comes. Perhaps we will also return to operating aircraft carriers as well.