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© 2025 AFPIndia plane crash death toll rises to 279
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masugomi
Dude better start answering questions! Starting to look reeeeeaaaaly sus! /s
Can't imagine what it would be like for him!
HopeSpringsEternal
One lucky man indeed.
How BOTH engines suddenly cutout/shutdown just after take-off, the mystery that must be solved ASAP, as there is no indication of any fires, objects hitting the plane, etc.
787 considered the Global Gold Standard for Air Safety, this is the 787's first catastrophic accident, not including minor airport 'fender benders'
USNinJapan2
HopeSpringsEternal
That's not at all confirmed. In the available videos the engines are clearly audible operating as the plane descends to impact. At what percentage of thrust is unknown, but they didn't cutout/shutdown as you've put it.
HopeSpringsEternal
Nope, numerous experts testified the engines were off, manner in which the plane floated down from its max altitude of approx. 200 meters is absolute evidence.
They know it was not under ANY power, ZERO doubt
HopeSpringsEternal
Naturally, these experts mean ZERO thrust, as the engines could have technically been "on", but for practical purposes there is no distinction.
John-San
On Calhoons Watch. First lithium exposing batteries, now failure of front cabin pressure due to gaps in the "787 front cabin fuselage refers to concerns about excessive gaps found in the forward-pressure bulkhead of Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft during assembly. These gaps, specifically between Y-chords and attach angles, were identified during the installation of the forward-pressure bulkhead, which acts as a barrier to protect the aircraft from foreign objects and maintain cabin pressure. The FAA has issued a directive requiring inspections of the 787 forward-pressure bulkhead due to these manufacturing nonconformances. Just another breech of oversight for more profits. So glad China rise in the aviation sector with their safe reliable before profits management will see Boeing collapse and die.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Forward-Pressure Bulkhead:
The forward-pressure bulkhead is a critical component in the nose section of the 787 that helps maintain cabin pressure and protects the aircraft from foreign objects.
Manufacturing Issues:
Reports indicated that excessive gaps were found during the assembly and installation of the forward-pressure bulkhead.
FAA Action:
The FAA is requiring inspections of the 787 forward-pressure bulkhead due to these gaps, which could potentially lead to undetected fatigue cracks and structural weakening.
Potential Consequences:
If left unaddressed, these gaps could compromise the bulkhead's ability to withstand pressure differences during flight and could allow foreign object debris to become trapped.
Previous Concerns:
This is not the first time the FAA has addressed issues with the 787's manufacturing, with previous concerns about gaps in the fuselage also being raised.
FAA proposes inspections for 'excessive gaps' in Boeing's 78713 Mar 2025 — The FAA said it received reports of gaps found during the assembly and installation of the forward pressure bulkhead, t...
The Seattle Times
FAA To Require Inspections Of Boeing 787 Forward-Pressure ...15 Mar 2025 — It seems that the sins of the past will keep coming for Boeing, with the US Federal Aviation Administration issuing a p...
FAA Calls for Boeing 787 Bulkhead Inspections Amid Manufacturing ...15 Mar 2025 — Boeing 787 Inspections ... “The FAA has received reports indicating multiple non-conformances, including excessive gaps.
HopeSpringsEternal
While no expert but high IQ, if not intentional sabotage by a pilot, then possible a software 'issue', caused engines to turn off/reduce thrust to essentially zero
Given global reliability of the 787, perfect track record, possible a bad actor made software changes in advance or even 'hacked' the airplane during flight...
Above = likely initial focus of investigation, as the most probably scenarios, Black Boxes will be critical naturally
Garlic eater
Penguin interference is to blame. They all fled after their sabotage but they won’t be hard to track down.
Rez
Poor maintenance, under fueling, pilot error, or a combination of these are almost certainly the cause. Don't depend on conspiracy theories if you dont know.
WoodyLee
Watch this Vid. by Captain Steeve explaining why he thinks the airplane Lost Lift due to the Co Pilot Error. very detailed explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7EZkungFEE
WoodyLee
According to Captain steeve, the co piolet Raised the flaps instead of the landing gears soon after taking off causing the A/C to Lose Lift and start descending then crash.
Garlic eater
You’re all wrong. Don’t speculate. Wait till the cockpit voice recorder analysis is finished and they reveal the squeaks of penguins in the cockpit moments before the crash.
kaimycahl
Here’s my list of causal factors contributing to this accident.
Loss of engine thrust due to contaminated fuel lines, FOD foreign object damage, birds sucked into engines on takeoff, last but not least pilot error.
USNinJapan2
HopeSpringsEternal
They know it was not under ANY power, ZERO doubt
They know. ANY power. ZERO doubt. You sound like you've already concluded the investigation yourself. Your certainty that a double engine failure as the cause isn't going to age well...
JJE
The victim toll for this Boeing mass casualty event will grow. And in general too.
max-velocity
Does Russia build better airliners? Not considered to be on par with Western manufacturers like Airbus and Boeing.
Desert Tortoise
You are obviously not a pilot or anyone with any experience in aviation. Take off requires maximum engine power and a flap setting. This airplane took off from midfield and the pilots very obviously failed to lower the flaps as required for take off. So two strikes right out of the gate, insufficient take off run and no flaps. A third strike was the weather at the time, hot and humid. Both cause the air to become less dense. That means less lift from the wings and less power from the engines. Thin air cannot burn as much fuel as cold dry dense air. As a helicopter pilot with some stiff wing time ( initial training in the T-34C, some TA-4J joy rides and some civil stiff wing flying later in life ) you learn fast that most aircraft, fighters maybe excepted, live and too often die on what is called density altitude. With hot humid air, forgetting to set flaps and a midfield take off if even one engine can't make full rate power you might not be able to fly. A longer runway run might have allowed the plane to achieve a higher speed before rotation for take off and that just might have bought them enough of a margin to recover from a partial power loss on one engine.. And obtw I personally know what that looks like because I've been there and done that, and lived to tell about it.
If you have been around aviation and aviation mishaps for any length of time you learn it is never just one thing that leads to a mishap. It is a chain of events. We have procedures on top of procedures in aviation precisely to minimize the chances of the human in the chain omitting necessary steps. And if you do, but are adhering to the checklist and are diligent an subsequent step should tell you, oh crud I forgot to do __ .
EvilBuddha
This airplane took off from midfield
No it did not. It used the full length of the runway.
https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/ai-171-exhausted-3-5km-runway-before-takeoff-indicating-no-thrust-but-pilot-did-not-shocking-atc-details-emerge/3880403/lite/
EvilBuddha
Watch this Vid. by Captain Steeve explaining why he thinks the airplane Lost Lift due to the Co Pilot Error. very detailed explanation.
According to Captain steeve, the co piolet Raised the flaps instead of the landing gears soon after taking off causing the A/C to Lose Lift and start descending then crash.
Well Capt Steeve has come out with another video in which he has walked back on his earlier assumptions.
https://youtu.be/8XYO-mj1ugg?si=wFWe40L7bP42mNeO