Musk offers voters $1 million to sign PAC petition backing Constitution. Is that legal?

Musk offers voters $1 million to sign PAC petition backing Constitution. Is be legal?

Musk is offering a million to one signer everyday for his petition.

It is like the most regressive predatory political lottery imaginable.

Big payout lotteries are the most regressive tax to the desperate.

Musk wants to fulfill his libertarian nataliat fantasies.

He has thrown away the grand vision of his inspiration, Iain Banks.

Is that legal?

Dunno, bruv. Wot u reckon?

dagon

Musk offers voters $1 million to sign PAC petition backing Constitution. Is that be legal?

Musk is offering a million to one signer everyday for his petition.

Even if it was legal, it's the biggest waste of money for the election. Surely Musk can't be so stupid. So likely it's just pure publicity.

Musk is offering a million to one signer everyday for his petition.

It is like the most regressive predatory political lottery imaginable.

Yeah, I really don’t want to hear from the people that think allowing 10 million illegals into the U.S. in the hopes they vote Democrat. They have zero credibility.

Big payout lotteries are the most regressive tax to the desperate.

Musk wants to fulfill his libertarian nataliat fantasies.

He has thrown away the grand vision of his inspiration, Iain Banks.

Hardly

bass4funk

Yeah, I really don’t want to hear from the people that think allowing 10 million illegals into the U.S. in the hopes they vote Democrat. They have zero credibility.

That isn't a thing. Illegals can't vote.

Yeah, I really don’t want to hear from the people that think allowing a 1 million to U.S. voters in the hopes they vote Republican and support authoritarian oligarchy. This is some Running Man Stephen King dystopia . They have zero credibility.

Fixed it for you as usual.

“It’s not quite the same as paying someone to vote, but you’re getting close enough that we worry about its legality,” Kang said.

The billionaires who proudly boast they pay no taxes are masters at influencing the law so that their crimes skirt the vagaries of 'legality'.

These options are no available to the proles.

Ah, but will he actually pay? He has a very solid track record of NOT keeping his promises.

the registered to vote part of the scheme is thinly masked, along with the requirement that that the petition be signed for entry to the events.

See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…

also:

DOJ Election Crimes Manual at 44: “The bribe may be anything having monetary value, including cash, liquor, lottery chances, and welfare benefits such as food stamps.

the stench of desperation is strong when you start paying people.

Want to be that even if legal experts conclude that it's illegal, precisely nothing will happen?

It looks illegal, but if there is only a fine, Musk would just pay it. More interesting if there is jail time. But from the Trump case, the US legal system takes years to do anything.

There is presumably nothing stopping people from bagging the cash and voting Democrat, but giving your personal information to such an organisation may not be a plan.

To be fair, 'forgettable loans' do look like bribes, as do all the millions in donations from corporate America.

You should not be allowed to give anything - cash or gifts - to politicians or a political party. They should get a wage, a lump sum from the state to function and no more, with limits on personal expenditure.

In this case, the US election process is so corrupt, another million won't make much difference.

That was a great 2 hour town hall with Elon full of policy and issues.

the Dems really have to be kicking themselves for forcing Elon to our team.

even Fetterman admits this was a self own, was totally unnecessary.

That isn't a thing. Illegals can't vote.

of course they can’t legally, but they do.

Fixed it for you as usual. 

So plagiarism is a thing now for the left?

The billionaires who proudly boast they pay no taxes are masters at influencing the law so that their crimes skirt the vagaries of 'legality'. 

And who are they voting for? Kamala Harris and why is that?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/16/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-tyler-perry-bill-ackman-weigh-in-update/

https://fortune.com/2024/10/18/billionaires-business-leaders-supporting-kamala-harris-mark-cuban-reid-hoffman-mike-bloomberg/

So stop with the nonsense lib speak that the Billionaire class love Trump they don’t, if they did, Trump would have triple the money for this campaign.

These options are no available to the proles.

Huh???

bass4funkToday  09:34 am JST

That isn't a thing. Illegals can't vote.

“of course they can’t legally, but they do.”

yes, you’re correct.

some years about 40 or so do across america and other years almost 400 do across the whole country.

ballots are nullified and no races are affected.

bass4funk

That isn't a thing. Illegals can't vote.

of course they can’t legally, but they do.

No, they don't.

With all my sympathy for Elon Musk, I can only say one thing: and you teach the whole world democracy?

His idea is to bribe voters. Your whole democracy is based on bribery.

some years about 40 or so do across america and other years almost 400 do across the whole country.

ballots are nullified and no races are affected.

Well, you can’t access information believe that if you want, I don’t.

Calif. made it illegal to check voters' nationality, clearing way for fraud 

Ala. & Va. are removing illegals from voting rolls

DoJ is suing Ala. & Va., not Calif.

bass4funk

Calif. made it illegal to check voters' nationality, clearing way for fraud 

It's not clearing the way for fraud, because there is no fraud.

Ala. & Va. are removing illegals from voting rolls

DoJ is suing Ala. & Va., not Calif.

That's because they aren't removing illegals from voting rolls. Illegals aren't on voting rolls.

Non citizens ARE on voting rolls. Whether they are illegal, we don’t know.

as some states give drivers licenses to illegals and they are unlawfully registered to vote when they get the license.

Blacklabel

Non citizens ARE on voting rolls. Whether they are illegal, we don’t know.

as some states give drivers licenses to illegals and they are unlawfully registered to vote when they get the license.

Don't worry - it's not an issue. Illegals aren't voting.

Another example of the conservative right projecting their own crimes. They claim the election is rigged because they are trying to rig it.

Trump working a day at McDonald's because Harris worked at McDonald's. Trump want to brag that he has actually worked a job and not inherited money from his racist father.

Trump tells stories about Palmer's size because he wish he could brag about his size.

Also, people suffering from early stage dementia have no filters!

That isn't a thing. Illegals can't vote.

of course they can’t legally, but they do.

A fact free assertion with no data to back it. None.

Illegals aren't voting.

then there is no issue with removing them from the voting rolls.

Non citizens ARE on voting rolls. Whether they are illegal, we don’t know.

Prove it! You would be the right wing hero if you could. But you can't because it is not the case. There is no data to back your claim. None. And what is funny is that the few provable voter fraud cases from the 2020 election were occasions of fraud committed by Republicans, not Democrats and not non-citizens. Doesn't crying wolf ever get tiring? Doesn't looking like a complete fool ever get old?

Prove it! 

non citizens registered to vote:

https://apnews.com/article/oregon-2024-election-citizen-voter-registration-18d3c0bda65a5030cd07f1d536e39ab7

receipts.

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/17/arizona-voters-glitch-eligibility-mvd

a “quirk” in the system. lol

Wait. Wait wait wait. Democrats voting isn't illegal is it? What constitutes and illegal vote? One million dollars I'm given for it?

BlacklabelToday 10:41 am JST

https://apnews.com/article/oregon-2024-election-citizen-voter-registration-18d3c0bda65a5030cd07f1d536e39ab7

receipts.

So what, nine illegal votes? An interesting self-own.

Musk offers voters $1 million to sign PAC petition backing Constitution. Is that legal?

Amazing question. The writer suggests backing the constitution can be illegal??

Blacklabel

Illegals aren't voting.

then there is no issue with removing them from the voting rolls.

True. But they aren't removing illegals from voting rolls. They are removing valid voters from rolls. That's where the issue is.

Trump/Musk

2 fruitcakes.

So what, nine illegal votes? An interesting self-own.

Oh? Was response to this:

“But you can't because it is not the case. There is no data to back your claim. None”

however…..9 isn’t “none” or “no”.

and it was “registered” not just who voted.

Move that goalpost.

TaiwanIsNotChina

BlacklabelToday 10:41 am JST

https://apnews.com/article/oregon-2024-election-citizen-voter-registration-18d3c0bda65a5030cd07f1d536e39ab7

receipts.

So what, nine illegal votes? An interesting self-own.

Possibly illegal. They haven't shown proof of citizenship, that's all.

What's the bet that they are all citizens? That's most likely the case.

Blacklabel

Prove it! 

non citizens registered to vote:

https://apnews.com/article/oregon-2024-election-citizen-voter-registration-18d3c0bda65a5030cd07f1d536e39ab7

receipts.

There is no proof that any of those registered voters are non citizens.

They are removing valid voters from rolls. 

they are not.

anyone listed as a non citizen who IS now a citizen but has yet to provide proof is an invalid voter until doing so.

do you get to claim marriage benefits without providing a marriage certificate?

i was single but im married now, trust me. Nope! Proof is required to change status.

Immigrants can't vote can they?

Like watching a gang of burglars raiding luxury retail stores in downtown areas of Democrat cities: they can't leave without paying, can they?

The issue isn't about the illegal immigrants voting but the fear and assumption of that future naturalized citizens will vote Democrat.

So one side is planting the peas for future election harvests while the other is digging up and deporting the seeds.

Underworld

True. But they aren't removing illegals from voting rolls. They are removing valid voters from rolls. That's where the issue is.

Another issue is that non-citizens can actually vote if they say they believe they are citizens. Check out 18 U.S. Code § 611 section 3c.

Blacklabel

They are removing valid voters from rolls. 

they are not.

Yup. They are.

anyone listed as a non citizen who IS now a citizen but has yet to provide proof is an invalid voter until doing so.

And if they remove those people from the rolls, they are removing valid voters from the rolls.

So they are removing valid voters.

do you get to claim marriage benefits without providing a marriage certificate?

Yup.

Stanley Bing’s novel Immortal Life portrays a society in the near future that is ruled by tech oligarchs. A chaotic government has essentially been replaced by a cabal of superannuated tech moguls who control 97 percent of sales in all market sectors—retail, entertainment, agriculture, and so on—through one huge, interconnected skein of interests.

quercetum

Immigrants can't vote can they?

Immigrants? Generally they can't unless they become US citizens.

The issue isn't about the illegal immigrants voting but the fear and assumption of that future naturalized citizens will vote Democrat.

Probably.

Zaphod

True. But they aren't removing illegals from voting rolls. They are removing valid voters from rolls. That's where the issue is.

Another issue is that non-citizens can actually vote if they say they believe they are citizens. Check out 18 U.S. Code § 611 section 3c.

Sure. That's a good thing. We don't want to incarcerate innocent people.

There is no proof that any of those registered voters are non citizens.

they must provide proof they ARE.

thats how this works.

why does the government think they are non citizens to the point they listed these people and announced it?

Alabama has a list of people who have non citizen ID numbers but are registered to vote as citizens. Does that work for you better?

And if they remove those people from the rolls, they are removing valid voters from the rolls. 

So they are removing valid voters.

they are not.

you aren’t a valid voter without providing proof of citizenship to change your status from non citizen to citizen.

Blacklabel

There is no proof that any of those registered voters are non citizens.

they must provide proof they ARE.

thats how this works.

In some states, sure.

But if they don't provide that proof, it doesn't mean that they are non citizens.

If a tree falls in the forest...

why does the government think they are non citizens to the point they listed these people and announced it?

I don't know what the government thinks. But non-citizens are not allowed to register to vote, so I think we can assume that they are citizens.

Alabama has a list of people who have non citizen ID numbers but are registered to vote as citizens. Does that work for you better?

This works better: "Alabama has a list of people who do not have proof of citizenship but are registered to vote."

Sure. I would assume almost all, if not all, are citizens.

Blacklabel

And if they remove those people from the rolls, they are removing valid voters from the rolls. 

So they are removing valid voters.

they are not.

Yes, they are.

you aren’t a valid voter without providing proof of citizenship to change your status from non citizen to citizen.

Incorrect. You are a valid voter. But you haven't provided proof of citizenship.

It's not clearing the way for fraud, because there is no fraud.

Then that is what you think, I think differently.

That's because they aren't removing illegals from voting rolls. Illegals aren't on voting rolls.

Again, you think that. I don’t so…

https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-bans-california-requiring-id-vote-1961685