Trump and Putin agree to immediate ceasefire in strikes against energy and infrastructure in Ukraine war

Day 57 of no ceasefire in Ukraine.

Putin proposes a complete ceasefire for Ukraine and a tiny ceasefire for russia. It remains to be seen whether the Foreign Asset Administration will attempt to enforce this.

It's nearly over. Thank goodness as the EU seemed hellbent in continuing this madness.

Amazing thing is this bilateral exchange is even happening - one year ago this would have been unimaginable under the previous administration. "Bilateral" is the word that matters: the times of "nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine" - always a hypocritical and silly slogan - are over. And EU/EK crowd remain locked out, too. That’s good news.

Because it heralds a new era of détente and cooperation between the Great Powers to bring this proxy war to an end. Moscow made clear this will end only on its terms, which is what powers which win wars usually do. This is called Realism and common sense.

against energy and infrastructure

imagine not being able to understand that means civilians are still on the table and the land grab is still on…even AI can understand how to read this article.

toraToday  06:50 am JST

It's nearly over. Thank goodness as the EU seemed hellbent in continuing this madness.

Do you think the shooting will stop tomorrow?

Well, it’s a start, so let’s see where it goes from here on.

The EU should publicly arrange to have each country deliver something to Ukraine during the ceasefire to show that agreements between Putin and Asset have no bearing on them.

JJEToday  06:58 am JST

Moscow made clear this will end only on its terms, which is what powers which win wars usually do.

Not since the 19th century, which is why russia has to be forcibly removed from such a time period.

Amazing thing is this bilateral exchange is even happening - one year ago this would have been unimaginable under the previous administration. 

I don't think Trump giving Putin everything he wants will be enough to lift russia above regional power status.

What is an 'energy infrastructure '?

Human lives are full of energy.

What capitulating nonsense from the American surrender monkey.

Trump understands nobody has ever heard of an unconditional ceasefire!

Putin keeps Ukraine on the edge of energy collapse but does not push them over the edge. At this point they don’t strike energy infrastructure very often as it is seriously degraded. But Ukraine will have to stop striking Russian facilities with their drones.

Wider combat operations on the main line of contact continue and won't halt until the conditions in the fourth paragraph of the article are implemented.

Trump has a win to show and the ball is in Ukraine's court again.

Russia proposes cease fire of something Ukraine was never doing. How bold of them! (Not)

Trump, who has long shown admiration for Putin, has also made clear he'd like to see the U.S.-Russia relationship return to a more normal footing.

This is nowhere closer to peace than last year. Trump has failed.

Chyobaka

Russia proposes cease fire of something Ukraine was never doing. How bold of them! (Not)

I suspect that Putin wants relief from his oil infrastructure being pounded by Ukraine.

As I see two leaders agreed only to "immediate ceasefire in strikes against energy and infrastructure in Ukraine war" for an unspecified period. No 30 days:)

Putin declared his readiness to work with American partners to work out possible ways to resolve the conflict in Ukraine, which should be sustainable and long-term. Negotiations should begin immediately somewhere in Saudi Arabia or the Emirates, it doesn't matter. A 30-day break is pointless and dangerous.

Funny, all those people who thought it had nothing to do with NATO membership or expansion, well, here it is, as one of the main conditions of the ceasefire.

And I wonder who has encouraged Ukraine to pursue NATO membership all there years, ay?

wink wink

This is good win for Ukraine. No more Russia attacks on energy and power stations is very positive thing. President Trump made Putin to agree to first ceasefire deal.

Negotiations are futile. Russia will continue to advance. Peace is still far off unless the kyiv regime surrenders for its own survival. Putin will have the final say.

Tamarama

Funny, all those people who thought it had nothing to do with NATO membership or expansion, well, here it is, as one of the main conditions of the ceasefire.

Most likely because it is Kremlin propaganda perpetuated by Putin.

And I wonder who has encouraged Ukraine to pursue NATO membership all there years, ay?

Funny that the whole interest in Ukraine by Putin in 2014 was when they were trying to join the EU, not NATO.

Negotiations are futile. Russia will continue to advance. Peace is still far off unless the kyiv regime surrenders for its own survival. Putin will have the final say.

That will be difficult for sure, Zelenskyy might have to give up some territory to ensure a lasting peace deal.

It's nearly over. Thank goodness as the EU seemed hellbent in continuing this madness.

The war is nowhere near "over". A tiny, limited ceasefire on a few targets.

You're probably also claiming the Israel-Gaza war is "over".

Deo Gratias

This is far better than Biden and Harris ever did. Light-years better.

How is it better? What does it achieve?

This is far better than Biden and Harris ever did. Light-years better.

How is it better? What does it achieve?

It gives the Putin apologists and Trumple thinskin sycophants on here a delusional view of both of their heros, while democracy and liberty is being strangled. In reality, nothing changes.

How is it better? What does it achieve?

Ukraine gets to survive.

It gives the Putin apologists and Trumple thinskin sycophants on here a delusional view of both of their heros, while democracy and liberty is being strangled. In reality, nothing changes.

Pride has nothing to do with this

bass4funk

How is it better? What does it achieve?

Ukraine gets to survive.

They already were. So they gained nothing.

notice how much of the media leaves out the part of putin making trump wait 2 hours on hold.

and putin didn’t agree to ending the invasion of ukraine, instead demanding no weapons be sent to ukraine to defend itself from the invasion.

how much would the u.s. give up if invaded?

I don't believe for one moment this was any kind of gesture or compromise by Putin. There's been a lot of damage caused by Ukrainian drones and missiles recently, with a lot of oil and oil refineries being taken out which hurts Russia's economy and it's ability to fund the war. Russia, on the other hand, hasn't been able to knock out Ukraine's energy infrastructure, and not for the lack of trying. What is notable is that Putin did not agree to a ceasefire, and this would be because he wants even more concessions which we will probably hear more about in the coming days when Trump tries to force them on Ukraine. In the meantime, Russia continues it's attacks, which include strikes on cities and targets civilians causing the indiscriminate murder of women, children and rescue workers. And he ordered strikes moments after speaking to Trump. If you needed any proof of who he is or what his intentions are, this tells you.

They already were. So they gained nothing.

So what’s the problem here?

putin brings nothing to the table whatsoever. His list of demands are non negotiable? Any strong leader would laugh in his face.

Left on hold for 60mins? trump should have hung up and told him to call back.

but from the right we get..

Well, it’s a start, so let’s see where it goes from here on.

UnderworldToday  08:41 am JST

HopeSpringsEternal

Just ask poor people of Ukraine if they prefer to have electricity, working trains, etc. After suffering years of rolling blackouts, lack of heat, etc. Seriously doubt anyone on the ground in Ukraine's "upset" like foolish JT posters

I think they would prefer immediate ceasefire in strikes against innocent civilians.

It's a very complicated negotiation that requires steps to build trust, given this Civil war started in 2014. Of course, majority of people want Peace and sooner rather than later, especially in Ukraine, but also US, EU and Russia.

Thankfully, due to DJT, someone's finally showing the true Humanity and Leadership to pursue Peace, unlike the Biden Admin that made Zero peace efforts.

Let's give DJT a chance to make this Peace Deal and not "get over our skis" in terms of unrealistic expectations. Putin made a clear concession today = Positive

…demanding no weapons be sent

This is the whole point: the big US industrial military complex will never allow Trump to stop the profits of the warlords in Wall Street, the same people who keep inciting the conflict. Same situation they want to repeat tomorrow in Taiwan flaring up tension with China, manipulating the narrative as they do. 

A reminder for our readers here that the top 5 weapons manufactures in the world are all American and that US financial stock rose to historical highs. Putin knows very well and that is why he is testing Trump.

Russia attacked Ukraine preemptively, what is to stop them from doing the same thing again after Ukraine lets down their guard? They should be able to join NATO but the reasoning for the condition of Russia not wanting Ukraine to NATO join is like a predator saving its food for later. They can't give a fully justified reason as to why they don't want them to join NATO. And to a lot of Americans that were so buthurt about Ukraine getting support, y'all wouldn't have a reason to complain if Ukraine was allowed as a member of NATO. But it's people out here showing their true colors and it would be wise to not forget history or how Putin jailed his political opponents who also died while jailed and tried to keep the families away from the body. This is who a deal is being made with..

DJT is dealing with the world's most experienced leader, so hardly an easy task, as Putin didn't reach these heights of power by being a pushover.

Goal's Peace, both sides not being "happy", making uncomfortable concessions needed to achieve Peace.

Ukrainian officials had proposed a ceasefire covering the Black Sea and long-range missile strikes and the release of prisoners.

Sounds like a pretty good next step.

“We agreed to an immediate Ceasefire on all Energy and Infrastructure, with an understanding that we will be working quickly to have a Complete Ceasefire and, ultimately, an END to this very horrible War between Russia and Ukraine,” Trump said on social media.

Good, things are moving in the right direction.

DJT is dealing with the world's most experienced leader, so hardly an easy task, as Putin didn't reach these heights of power by being a pushover.

What is MAGA smoking these days? The same guy who let an insurrection happen because he couldn't own up to knowing he lost an election and willingly lied about it to cause this mess.

bass4funk

They already were. So they gained nothing.

So what’s the problem here?

Nothing has been achieved.

Trump has at moments boasted of his relationship with Putin and blamed Ukraine for Russia’s unprovoked invasion, all while accusing Zelenskyy of unnecessarily prolonging the biggest land war in Europe since World War II.

Putin has been late for telephone conversation without any concern. Russia concession was only not attacking electricity infrastructure. The war is still going on without suspension.

During election campaign, Trump said when he will become POTUS, he can end the war within 24 hours. It was a big lie same as grocery price will go down.

Putin has almost zero respect on Trump. Putin is not serious. Trump is desperate for dating like a lonely man.

During the election debate, Kamala Harris said "Putin will eat Trump as Lunch for cease fire deal". Sadly it has become the reality.

U.S. officials have previously said that Iran has provided Russia with short-range ballistic missiles and attack drones for the war in Ukraine. The U.S. has also said that Iran has assisted the Kremlin with building a drone-manufacturing factory.

US have supplied military aids to both Israel and Ukraine. The military hardware received by Ukraine were outdated versions. Mostly have been retired for replacement of newer models. Israel has been privileged for receiving latest military hardware. It can alter according their need as well. Iran and Russia have been heavily sanctioned for sourcing parts for their aerospace industry. However it does not stop the momentum of their weapons manufacturing.

On the contrary, Isreal is heavily dependent on US and EU weapons free handouts. It should be self sufficient.

United States and Russia between Russian and American players from the National Hockey League, which has U.S. and Canadian teams, and the Kontinental Hockey League, which includes teams from Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and China.

Playing Hockey does not stop the war. Without Ukraine and EU involvement, cease fire deal likes a one sided surrendering. If Ukraine has to surrender without any concession from Russia, it is not the deal. It is same as bankruptcy declaration from the failed business man.

as Putin didn't reach these heights of power by being a pushover.

yes, blackmail, assassination and wily secret deals will let you rise to the top in no time.

Great men plan, wicked men plot.

We all know which side of the fence little putin sits on.

As we all know the United States played a key role in generating and perpetuating this terrible conflict in Ukraine since the Bucharest Nato meeting in 2008. Let’s not forget what former US Assistant Secretary of State for European Victoria Nuland said about the United States investing $5 billion in more than 20 years in Ukraine via the CIA, USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Russia has single-handedly stopped American aggression, and any negotiations will have to start with the military situation on the ground. 

I guess we need to thank the likes of Anthony Blinken and Boris Johnson, who told Ukraine not to take the early peace deal Russia offered straight after the start of the conflict. 

https://mronline.org/2023/02/07/former-israeli-pm-bennett-says-u-s-blocked-his-attempts-at-a-russia-ukraine-peace-deal/

It was wrong to “sabotage” the deal and now Putin will dictate his conditions. 

At this stage it looks like Putin is using Trump as a tool to achieve a complete victory. He is the aggressor and he is making no concessions, instead demanding terms which are all the goals of his invasion in the first place.

I don't belive Trump is capable of threatening or putting any pressure on Putin. Don't know if that's cause Putin has something on him or he just can't help worshipping dictators.

Another reason why he's not fit for the Office.

It was wrong to “sabotage” the deal and now Putin will dictate his conditions.

Oh look another "anti american industrial war machine" poster that conveniently supports the kremlin rhetoric...

Fos

It was wrong to “sabotage” the deal and now Putin will dictate his conditions. 

Putin dictated his conditions back then and they haven’t changed.

putin bombed an energy plant hours after this nonsense the white house put out about agreeing to not do it.

Certain quarters ignore obvious realities:

Ukraine is not a core issue for US national security by any measure.

The sunk costs of the US there are absurd and none will be recouped.

It is a failed state.

This means a failing asset: throwing good money after bad is reckless in business.

Also means it is a liability - potential flashpoint for WWIII and a diversion from regions of significance.

Oh look another "anti American industrial war machine"

Or perhaps we should support the big US industrial militant complex, is that right? Let's start shipping American made weapons everywhere, from Kyiv to Tel Aviv, all the way to Taiwan. And then light up a big cigar by the pool of our villa in Florida, and watch our profits in Wall Street grow. That sounds acceptable to many in Washington, no surprises here :)

Nothing has been achieved.

Not yet, but I can predict with great certainty that concessions will be made, and if Zelenskyy wants to end this, he will probably lose more than he wants, but it can't be helped, I feel bad in a way, but not much to be done there.

Ukraine is not a core issue for US national security by any measure.

Containing russian aggression is, or was until the current administration took office.

The sunk costs of the US there are absurd and none will be recouped.

weakening russian military has been an astounding success or do we conveniently ignore those losses?

Not to mention that the majority of that money went straight to the US military to upgrade it's inventory and reduce old stockpiles.

It is a failed state.

no it isn't, it has been fighting an ongoing invasion since february 2022 and prior to that has been fighting a proxy war against "separatists"(backed by russia) since february 2014.

This means a failing asset: throwing good money after bad is reckless in business.

please tell that to putin that seems to think russian lives are expendable at his whim.

Also means it is a liability - potential flashpoint for WWIII and a diversion from regions of significance.

The threat of WW3 is overplayed by russia and they are no longer the mighty world stage player that you seem to think they are. Any escalation by russia would be the end of russia. China will not have the back of a weak russia (putin knows this) when there is so much territory to gain. Belarus, khazakstan and numerous other satellites will break free and moscow will be a wasteland.

bass4funk

Nothing has been achieved.

Not yet, but I can predict with great certainty that concessions will be made, and if Zelenskyy wants to end this, he will probably lose more than he wants, but it can't be helped, I feel bad in a way, but not much to be done there.

The only way Zelenskyy ends this is to keep fighting until Russia culminates.

The sad fact is that Putin doesn’t want peace and he doesn’t even care for territory (although he needs territory to justify the war to Russians).

Putin wants political control of Kyiv and he won’t stop until he gets it.

Maybe Donald and Putain agreed on something, like dividing Ukraine between the 2 of them.

At night and in the early morning hours missile and drone attacks continued on Ukrainian civilian structures.

This much how far you can trust Putain and the agreements.

Not worth the paper they're written on, not worth the PR stunt phone call by Donald.

There is only one solution: the total and complete defeat of the Russian aggressors!

The only way Zelenskyy ends this is to keep fighting until Russia culminates.

Ok, so let's be rational and walk through this, you said, to keep fighting...ok, so how will Ukraine do that? He won't get anything from the US anymore, that train took off on Jan. 20th of this year, so will Europe fund him or will they send troops to fight Russia? if so, then I will back you and support it, it will be bloody, and many Europeans will die, but keep on fighting.

The sad fact is that Putin doesn’t want peace and he doesn’t even care for territory (although he needs territory to justify the war to Russians).

You might be right about that, but what else do you want to do, we won't be sending any troops, so Europe would have to fill that void.

Putin wants political control of Kyiv and he won’t stop until he gets it.

So then you should try to do whatever you can to stop him from doing that and by that is you offer concessions or if you don't want that, you go to war and the US will not, so your options are very limited. I am telling you now, Zelenskyy is on borrowed time and he knows it, he has a target on his back and if Trump completely pulls out, I would seriously doubt that he stays in Ukraine or even Europe from that point.

there’s no method in trump’s madness. he’s simply insane.

Trump being played by Putin like a fiddle.

I guess trump has no choice given the videos of trump that Putin is blackmailing him with.

"Trump and Putin agree to immediate ceasefire in strikes against energy and infrastructure in Ukraine war."

That's a good start, bearing in mind the last regime made zero efforts negotiating with Russia to end this madness. Least don't forget Joe's motto "we will fund the war as long as it takes."

So... a lot of word to say that initial negotiation for the "30 days cease fire" failed.

there’s no method in trump’s madness. he’s simply insane.

Trump didn't invade Ukraine, correction

Trump being played by Putin like a fiddle.

I guess trump has no choice given the videos of trump that Putin is blackmailing him with.

Zero proof whatsoever, all that got debunked 9 years ago, 500 witnesses and 500 testimonies, but I am just astounded by the left, they were always anti-war and did not want war, first they wanted EV and abolish gas and now they hate EV, mixed and confused bunch, but what should Trump do, the ONLY option is to go to war, sanctions are not working, Trump will not send troops, so what do you guys want? A war ain't gonna happen, so....

Trump doesn't have the cards he imagines to play with card-sharp Putin who will trump him and punk him like he did the first time they met. As they entered the press-room after their oh so secretive talk, the body-language of both, like the smirk on the Russian's face and the tight grimace on the American's, like a red-faced boy who had just come out of the woodshed, spoke volumes. As the Russian proverb tells it: "laws are not written for fools", a maxim that describes to a T Trump's "Kabuki" spiel as potus.

Are Americans not tired of winning so much already?

Underworld

Most likely because it is Kremlin propaganda perpetuated by Putin.

What's propaganda? The fact that Ukraine want to join NATO? No, that's been well known for decades. The fact that the US has been encouraging it? Also known for years. Why do you think Zelensky is so shocked by Trump right now?

Funny that the whole interest in Ukraine by Putin in 2014 was when they were trying to join the EU, not NATO.

Well, the US leant into what happened, and backed a certain horse in the race who subsequently got elected. Funny that.

It might make you uncomfortable to know that the US has been encouraging Ukraine towards NATO for years, but it's just the truth. If you are an American who believe the US is a metaphorical cowboy in a mask riding a white steed fighting the good fight for liberty worldwide, that will require a hard reset. It's most definitely not.

These hockey games planned by the two great powers are a sensible development. It'd be great to have a bit of the best of the two great leagues help turn down the temperature and facilitate the longer-term political settlement that addresses the root causes of the provoked conflict, which is a necessary pre-requisite for a full ceasefire - and not the other way around. Moscow isn't going to surrender the initiative on the battlefront coming into the all-important spring & summer campaign season. Instead, they'll down the gloves if that settlement (mentioned in fourth paragraph of article) isn't forthcoming.

Tamarama

Most likely because it is Kremlin propaganda perpetuated by Putin.

What's propaganda? The fact that Ukraine want to join NATO? No, that's been well known for decades. The fact that the US has been encouraging it?

And yet when Russia annexed Crimea and started the war in the Donbas, Ukraine had explicitly stated that it would pursue joining NATO.

The propaganda is that Putin invaded in 2022 because of NATO.

Putin didn't invade Ukraine in 2022 because he feared NATO. He invaded because he believed that NATO was weak, that his efforts to regain control of Ukraine by other means had failed, and that installing a pro-Russian government in Kyiv would be safe and easy. His aim was not to defend Russia against some non-existent threat but rather to expand Russia's power, eradicate Ukraine's statehood, and destroy NATO, goals he still pursues.

Funny that the whole interest in Ukraine by Putin in 2014 was when they were trying to join the EU, not NATO.

Well, the US leant into what happened, and backed a certain horse in the race who subsequently got elected. Funny that.

Who did they back? And if they were elected, are you suggesting that the US rigged the elections? Some serious accusations, do you have evidence?

It might make you uncomfortable to know that the US has been encouraging Ukraine towards NATO for years, but it's just the truth. If you are an American who believe the US is a metaphorical cowboy in a mask riding a white steed fighting the good fight for liberty worldwide, that will require a hard reset. It's most definitely not.

And yet Ukraine wasn’t pursuing NATO when Putin attacked in 2022.

*would not pursue joining NATO.

bass4funkToday 11:29 am JST

Which sentence didn’t you understand? Or are you claiming you didn’t know about it?

Look, none of that is the issue, for the life of me, what is wrong with you guys on the left. I will ask again and please focus, what do you want Trump to do?

Russia is not going to stop, so to halt their aggression you need to do something so what would that be and how? Please just answer the question if you can, this is about Putin, not Trump.

Putting another 100k russians in the ground would be a start. What is it with the MAGA that they assume russians are supermen?

Putting another 100k russians in the ground would be a start. What is it with the MAGA that they assume russians are supermen?

Talk to Vlad then, he won't stop, so how do you stop him?!

Witkoff on Sunday suggested that U.S. and Russian officials have discussed the fate of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant — Europe's largest — in southern Ukraine. Russian troops seized the plant early in the war and it has been caught in the crossfire, fueling fears of a potential nuclear catastrophe.

Ukraine needs this NPP back. It is likely the Russians will trade it for something during the negotiations.

One rumor doing the rounds is they'll trade it for Odessa. Should it not transpire, Russia will seize the latter and hold onto both.

Trump has fallen down in surrender and is groveling at Putin’s feet. No deal, just roll over and surrender.

Trump is a Russian asset, so neither Putin nor Trump can be trusted at all.

The only thing that makes sense is that Trump wants to slice the world up with China and Russia. Also, when Trump talks about making Canada the 51st state and Greenland a U.S. territory, we should take Trump seriously.

No doubt Trump's calimed ceasefire will be as successful as the ceasefire in Gaza.

JJE

One rumor doing the rounds is they'll trade it for Odessa. Should it not transpire, Russia will seize the latter and hold onto both.

Russia doesn’t have the capability to seize Odesa.

It's called high-stakes cards. Only those with the buy-in can knock on the door and get a seat at the table. When one holds the cards and plays a strong hand, the chips can be cashed in. There is an attached dining room, which again only seats the previous players. This is where the carve-up of the rump steak really happens. And certain quarters made the mistake of putting themselves on the menu by provoking one of the card sharks (and alienating the other one).