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US Vice President and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris addressed voters in the swing state of North Carolina on Wednesday, with stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to follow Image: AFP
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Harris fends off Biden's 'garbage' comment fallout; Trump pushes cheating claims

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By Chandan Khanna and Asad Hashim

Donald Trump and Kamala Harris launched a frantic last week of U.S. election campaigning Wednesday, with the Democrat distancing herself from comments by President Joe Biden that appeared to label Trump supporters "garbage."

Harris traveled to North Carolina and onward to Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, focusing again on three of seven battleground states that could determine who wins the closest election in modern U.S. history.

Republican Trump was also in North Carolina on Wednesday -- in the town of Rocky Mount, about an hour's drive from Harris's Raleigh rally -- and was then to head to Wisconsin, where he will appear alongside U.S. sports star Brett Favre.

Trump is expected to reject the election result if he loses, with the Republican already seizing on isolated irregularities caught by election officials to amplify his claims of widespread "cheating."

On Wednesday, Harris had hoped to be basking in the afterglow of a speech attended by tens of thousands outside the White House, where she warned her rival was unstable and itching for unbridled power.

Instead, she was fending off questions about Biden's apparent gaffe when the president reacted to a warm-up speaker at a Trump rally referring to the island of Puerto Rico as "a floating island of garbage" in an off-color joke that risked alienating Latino voters.

"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters," Biden said, before the White House sought to clarify that he was referring to Trump's rhetoric, not to his supporters.

"Let me be clear, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for," said Harris, Biden's vice president.

At his Rocky Mount rally, Trump said Biden had "finally said what he and Kamala really think of our supporters."

"My response to Joe and Kamala is very simple: you can't lead America if you don't love Americans," the Republican said, adding that Harris and Biden were "low-lifes."

In North Carolina, Harris hammered home her campaign's message to "turn the page" on former president Trump, leading the crowd in chants of "we are not going back!"

"This is someone who is unstable, obsessed with revenge, consumed with grievance and out for unchecked power," said Harris, echoing her speech outside the White House the night before.

There, Harris had spoken at the very spot where Trump stirred up a mob that went on to attack the US Capitol on January 6, 2021 in a violent attempt to keep him in power even though he lost the 2020 election to Biden.

But the vice president also gave an optimistic vision of the United States' future, with the White House lit up behind her.

Harris has pushed for the votes of undecided moderates, and in Raleigh she contrasted her leadership with Trump, who has repeatedly called political opponents "the enemy within."

"I don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy," she said. "He wants to put them in jail, I'll give them a seat at the table."

On Wednesday, Trump took to social media to repeat his claims of voter fraud, appearing to set the stage for a repeat performance around the unfounded claim that his 2020 loss to Biden was rigged.

He denounced what he said was "cheating" at "large-scale levels never seen before" in the key battleground state of Pennsylvania.

At his North Carolina rally, Trump again cast doubt on the fairness of voting machines and called for a return to paper ballots.

He also referred to Harris as a "simpleton", "corrupt," "grossly incompetent" and "failed."

A day earlier, Trump had engaged in damage control on Puerto Rico, saying "nobody loves our Latino community and our Puerto Rico community more than I do."

His campaign on Wednesday made a fresh plea for campaign donations by referencing Biden's comments on his supporters.

"My patriotic supporters are the BEST PEOPLE in the country -- I LOVE YOU!" he said.

One person who will not be voting for Trump on November 5 will be actor and former Republican governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger, who endorsed Harris.

"Rejecting the results of an election is as un-American as it gets," he said of Trump.

Inflation and the economy have been key issues this election, and on Wednesday new data showed solid economic growth solid despite a slight slowdown.

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appeared to label Trump supporters "garbage."

misanthropic reactionaries that need someone to tell them how and what to believe would be a better description, except for those pushing for a violent overthrow of the government, but like one religious leader was reported by some to have said, they've always been with us. Hopefully many of them will shift to Hungary or the Russian Federation maybe Texas, Alabama or Florida, where their politics are better suited.

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Kamala is trying to 'save face' here and step beyond Joe's shadow and that's OK. She has her own agenda to promote and needs to show that she is her own woman and a lacky to no one, not even Joe.

And Traitortrump keeps on screaming like the loudmouth geek that he is and he sinks deeper and deeper into his pit of hatred, violence, crimes, lies, selling himself out.

And as for the MAGA cultists being 'garbage', if the shoe fits you wear it. Or the cap.

As Bob Marley said, 'Coo-coo-coo! (Coo-coo-coo!), Cluck-cluck-cluck! (Cluck-cluck-cluck! )'.

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Be honest, anyone think that Puerto Rico will be better with president from other of the isle?

https://time.com/4960647/us-turned-its-back-on-puerto-rico/

https://centerforhealthjournalism.org/our-work/insights/why-does-puerto-rican-island-vieques-not-have-hospital-6-years-after-hurricane

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The irony that Trump is the one lying and trying to steal the election (again) seems to be lost on a lot of his cult followers.

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I wish Joe would shut his yap, but he was obviously talking about the collection of racists, xenophobes, anti-semites, general goobers and Rudy Giuliani.

Trump is desperate to deflect from his embrace of these scum bags and Joe gave him a straw to grasp at.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

comments by President Joe Biden that appeared to label Trump supporters "garbage."

”appeared to” lol

like we don’t even have ears or a video of him saying it. The gas is lit.

-9 ( +11 / -20 )

"My patriotic supporters are the BEST PEOPLE in the country -- I LOVE YOU!" he said.

Trump left out how they are 'fat pigs' and he loves their low info and poorly educated MAGA masses.

All on record.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

Kamala is trying to 'save face' here and step beyond Joe's shadow and that's OK.

So why is Joe undermining her?

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1851728821659332646?s=46&t=YGWP_lcRZjddiWlx4QxURQ

She has her own agenda to promote and needs to show that she is her own woman and a lacky to no one, not even Joe. 

But she hasn’t don’t that, as of today, Trump is ahead of every battleground state and a tie in WI.

And Traitortrump keeps on screaming like the loudmouth geek that he is and he sinks deeper and deeper into his pit of hatred, violence, crimes, lies, selling himself out. 

Yeah, more garrulous banter which is not helping her or the Democrats. The problem here for her is, she spent more time talking about Trump than giving specifics on policies and that comment from Biden yesterday that Trump voters are garbage will have a very reverberating negative effect and then trying to change the transcripts doesn’t help libs at all.

And as for the MAGA cultists being 'garbage', if the shoe fits you wear it. Or the cap.

As a sitting President you want to call half of the nation garbage? Lol, yeah, good luck with that, please go for it.

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This ^

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But but he has a stutter! they said.

Then: he was only calling the comedian “garbage”

then: not the comedian either, just the joke was “garbage”

until they found an even less believable explanation somehow. An Apostrophe but in spoken not written speech. Lol

now: so anyway, Trump said…….(and Joe may not ever speak again publicly)

-13 ( +6 / -19 )

Where as Trump without misspeaking called the entire country a garbage dump.

But sure, let’s fixate on an obviously unintentional slip of the tongue.

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Glad I am over here. I can’t wait for the ripples to happen after the election.

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

"appeared"? biden said it point-blank. whereas the MSG blabber was by a professional insult comedian. so this article is fine-doctoring the biden incident. not fair.

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So why is Joe undermining her? 

https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1851728821659332646?s=46&t=YGWP_lcRZjddiWlx4QxURQ

Sir, it says Donald’s mental decline is getting worse, is that true????

But she hasn’t don’t that, as of today, Trump is ahead of every battleground state and a tie in WI.

Except that he isn’t sir, how can that happen????

Yeah, more garrulous banter which is not helping her or the Democrats. The problem here for her is, she spent more time talking about Trump than giving specifics on policies and that comment from Biden yesterday that Trump voters are garbage will have a very reverberating negative effect and then trying to change the transcripts doesn’t help libs at all.

Yes sir, the concept of a plan has so many details!!!

As a sitting President you want to call half of the nation garbage? Lol, yeah, good luck with that, please go for it.

Yes sir and donald called America a trash can, that is acceptable I think!!!

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I wish Joe would shut his yap, but he was obviously talking about the collection of racists, xenophobes, anti-semites, general goobers and Rudy Giuliani.

Too late, he can’t unsay what he said, and trying to walk it back and make excuses won’t help him or his party just like it didn’t help Hillary with calling Trump supporters deplorables.

Trump is desperate to deflect from his embrace of these scum bags and Joe gave him a straw to grasp at.

Huh?

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I wish Joe would shut his yap

so do I, John, so do I.

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But but he has a stutter! they said. 

I am glad you are trying to overcome it sir!!!

Then: he was only calling the comedian “garbage”

why sir

then: not the comedian either, just the joke was “garbage” 

donald sure know how to spin stuff sir!!

until they found an even less believable explanation somehow. An Apostrophe but in spoken not written speech. Lol

Mic drop moment sir ha ha ha

now: so anyway, Trump said…….(and Joe may not ever speak again publicly)

we will allow donald to speak from prison sir, though only to other inmates!!!

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will have a very reverberating negative effect

The only voters who are "offended" (i.e., faux outraged) by Biden's comment are MAGA cultists.

Undecided voters can do a side-by-side comparison of offensive comments by Trump and Biden. Or Harris. Or any other Democrat.

she spent more time talking about Trump than giving specifics on policies 

According to Xwitter.

more garrulous banter

Windmills? Low-flow toilets? Hannibal Lecter?

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Too late, he can’t unsay what he said, and trying to walk it back and make excuses won’t help him or his party just like it didn’t help Hillary with calling Trump supporters deplorables.

Yes sir, only donald can do that or just pretend he is ignorant. He does that really well doesn’t he sir, almost like if it’s real!!!

0 ( +7 / -7 )

Calling millions of Americans “garbage” can't be blamed on senility, it's a Freudian slip and proves how much disdain the Democrats have for normal regular hard-working Americans.

Meanwhile, Harris will do anything to distract from her own disastrous track record and dangerous push toward endless conflicts abroad with their war-hungry agenda.

STOP THE WARS - vote Trump/Vance/RFK/Tulsi.

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Kamala is trying to 'save face' here and step beyond Joe's shadow and that's OK. She has her own agenda to promote and needs to show that she is her own woman and a lacky to no one, not even Joe.

She said there is nothing she would change about Joe's presidency. Joe said she was a part of every decision he made good or bad. She is basically the female version of Joe.

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Here's exactly what Biden said:

"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters."

Here's Politico's reporting of it:

Biden in a zoom call with the organization Voto Latino, said "the only garbage" was "the hatred" of Trump supporters who said such things about American citizens.

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Trump loves the low info, poorly educated.

And to make sure the MAGA GOP always have them one of his main policies is eliminating the Department of Education and making sure the quality of your education depends on your legacy capital and zip code.

https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/how-project-2025-would-devastate-public-education

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Jay, White people have look down on other White people as being trash, even Trump, Biden misspoke,but Trump didn't

-2 ( +7 / -9 )

"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters," Biden said, before the White House sought to clarify that he was referring to Trump's rhetoric, not to his supporters.

Biden let his true colors show. White House “clarification” is PR nonsense.

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"I don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy," she said. "He wants to put them in jail, I'll give them a seat at the table."

Thing is, Trump was in office for 4 years. He never put a political opponent in jail. He never tried. Guess who actually tried though!

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

Where is the lie though? Biden has a point calling out Trump supporters like that lol. But true there are more ways to show how Biden and Harris are different and have different policies and such

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Biden let his true colors show. White House “clarification” is PR nonsense.

Yes sir, donald has never hidden his colors, it oscillates between some shade of orange or brown.

That man is a chameleon sir, don’t you agree???

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Naive foreigner White people in America,have all look down on their own kind, even you MAGA supporters know your relatives view you the same , Biden just got his word towards the wrong person

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Calling millions of Americans “garbage” can't be blamed on senility, it's a Freudian slip and proves how much disdain the Democrats have for normal regular hard-working Americans.

But when Trump says worse things about Americans you pretend to forget? Oh okay lol

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Anti-war RFK and Tulsi Gabbard deflected to the Republicans... the Democrats now have the pro-war Cheneys. That should tell you every thing you need to know about how the frame has completely shifted, and hopefully who you should be supporting.

Lifelong Democrats: Wake up. This isn't the party you grew up with.

Kamala Harris and the Democrats have shown time and again their willingness to align with the military-industrial complex, fueling conflict and promoting endless wars under the guise of “defending democracy.” Harris, along with establishment Democrats, have backed policies that keep U.S. forces entangled overseas, driving up defense spending and enriching defense contractors rather than prioritizing peace and diplomacy. By framing every foreign policy issue as a battle between “good” and “evil,” the Democrats manipulate public sentiment to justify intervention, with little regard for the toll it takes on American lives, resources, and the stability of other nations. This approach ultimately funnels billions into the hands of defense contractors while leaving regular hard-working Americans people footing the bill, sacrificing both their tax dollars and the country’s reputation.

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The only voters who are "offended" (i.e., faux outraged) by Biden's comment are MAGA cultists.

And a few undecided as they should be.

Undecided voters can do a side-by-side comparison of offensive comments by Trump and Biden. Or Harris. Or any other Democrat. 

And if they lean more to the Trump sensible side, that comment doesn’t help, at all.

According to Xwitter.

Which gives us more insight, yes. Not good for her or the msm control support backup teams

Windmills? Low-flow toilets? Hannibal Lecter?

Yes

-13 ( +5 / -18 )

The pearl clutching by the maga right is hilarious. Hypocrisy much?

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Trump loves the low info, poorly educated.

Absolutely and the Dems love the mega-rich donor Wall Street class.

And to make sure the MAGA GOP always have them one of his main policies is eliminating the Department of Education and making sure the quality of your education depends on your legacy capital and zip code.

They should be, parents have the right in a say of wanting their kids to have a decent education in the public school area and to not be taught by Marxist activists pushing an all lib one-sided political agenda. This is why more parents are respectively sending their kids to private schools, better choice all around.

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Biden's not running for president. Nobody is seriously suggesting Kamala should have vetted her president better four years ago.

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Biden's not running for president.

But he is the President for now

Nobody is seriously suggesting Kamala should have vetted her president better four years ago.

The more they try to explain it, the worse it looks for them, just own it and apologize and move on, defending it just looks horrible.

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And a few undecided as they should be.

As much as Trump has been showing his true colors there is no undecided. If there was are they waiting for a Jan 6th part 2? No because at that point they are just as bad as him and his crooks

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…where he will appear alongside U.S. sports star Brett Favre.

of course he will, the same brett farve, the defendant in a $77 million scam of mississippi social services funds.

trump loves his fellow defendants.

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Absolutely and the Dems love the mega-rich donor Wall Street

That’s SNL level Gold Star comedy sir, you are really good at this!!!

They should be, parents have the right in a say of wanting their kids to have a decent education in the public school area and to not be taught by Marxist activists pushing an all lib one-sided political agenda. This is why more parents are respectively sending their kids to private schools, better choice all around.

Brilliant sir, can you define Marxism???

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The garbage comment is another textbook 'basket of deplorables' sneering putdown aimed at ordinary hardworking people.

In fact, it's worse.

-7 ( +7 / -14 )

The more they try to explain it, the worse it looks for them, just own it and apologize and move on, defending it just looks horrible.

Sir, we MAGA never apologize.

Every speaker at donald’s rally said what MAGA think about every day.

No apology needed!!!

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Blacklabel and Bass4,you should address your own family issues,like every White Family dealing with Google White Family MAGA Members

What does that rant word salad even mean??

-11 ( +7 / -18 )

Admit that you simply can’t handle it that people are finally waking up to their failures, division and hypocrisy.

Failure to lock up Trump over his crimes, Trump dividing the American people based on morals or his lack of, and him calling everyone who disagrees a fascist despite him becoming the new definition of the word?

3 ( +9 / -6 )

No need to apologise. Trump supporters are garbage.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college

Yes, and they are voting for the convicted felon, thanks Joe.

I voted.

-10 ( +7 / -17 )

Jay, everything dealing with Trump involved race,you are naive and not necessarily the color of your skin,but the color of your money and those with less of the green is trash to Trump,

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

Ye sir, Canadians living in Japan are rushing in droves to vote for donald!!!

If Canadians like Trump or if they have US citizenship, they can vote, go for it

-12 ( +4 / -16 )

It means some of your relatives,think of you as MAGA trash

0 ( +8 / -8 )

Well, looking at the comments here it is safe to say that while Harris might lose the actual election, if it was held in the JT readers forum, she would win resoundingly. The establishment followers are a solid majority...

-7 ( +7 / -14 )

Ye sir, Canadians living in Japan are rushing in droves to vote for donald!!!

The Real Canadians I know would if they could - the normal, hardworking Canadians from inner BC and the oil-gas provinces, not the Far Left loonies in Toronto and Vangroover.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

It is pretty simple to make effective rhetoric if you were not effectively impaired like Biden are beholden to the duopoly rhetoric .

If you resonate with the MAGA rhetoric about Puerto Rico being garbage and immigrants eating pets yes you are racist garbage.

If you have legitimate economic concerns that are not being addressed we are going to reach out with effective policies to serve those not being benefited by this economy.

I imagine Bernie Sanders or Michelle Obama could have articulated like that and slam dunked the election.

3 ( +9 / -6 )

Jay ,I do let insecure White people like you define me ,I do not have to use racism to deal with White people ,they either deal with me rightfully or deal with me on my terms,I have good relationships with White people on a daily basis,but I do not deal with those that are racist trash

That entire comment had negative racial overtones all throughout

-10 ( +6 / -16 )

You might want to look up the word ”euphemism.” Like its unfortunate and now-discarded predecessors, it doesn’t mean anything close to what you imagine it means.

I disagree

-12 ( +4 / -16 )

Kamala: “ Biden's not running for president! “—Neither was the comedian whose last name people don't even know.

The President of the United States called half the country garbage. He just handed the presidency to Trump. Thanks, Joe.

( Breaking News: Trump is talking to the media from his own personalised garbage truck and Vivek is working with garbage men.

Another brilliant moment from the Trump campaign!

LMAO! )

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

you make the decision of voting for Trump all that more sane and sensible.

lol

Nothing sane or sensible about voting for Trump.

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"Let me be clear, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for," said Harris, Biden's vice president.

This may impact Joe’s chances of getting elected to President.

In other news the polls have swung towards Harris, making this election a true tossup.

3 ( +9 / -6 )

In other news the polls have swung towards Harris, making this election a true tossup.

Which poll? The lastest that just came out

https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college

-10 ( +7 / -17 )

Which poll? The lastest that just came out

’Lastest’ now that is a MAGA word sir!!!

https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college

Sir it says Donald’s campaign hasn’t paid for his rally venues in 6 months. Is that true?????

5 ( +10 / -5 )

bass4funk

In other news the polls have swung towards Harris, making this election a true tossup.

Which poll? The lastest that just came out

The Economist

Why Kamala Harris’s chances of victory just jumped

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/10/30/why-kamala-harriss-chances-of-victory-just-jumped

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Zero “joy” here, just hate and anger and racism.

is it not going so well as you thought? lol

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

They're both basically tied with each other. Unfortunately, the Democrats usually win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote in presidential elections, so Harris is going to need to be better than tied in a popularity contest with Trump to win, isn't she? I'd rather see her win than him, but I'm worried.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/10/30/why-kamala-harriss-chances-of-victory-just-jumped

not even a poll.

just her “probability of victory”. Based on….what?

oh, based on us writing this article saying so! and hiding it behind a paywall, so you gotta just take our word for it that “something good” happened.

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

I swear, authoritarians are the biggest cry bullies.

They'll make every excuse in the world for why it's okay to make outrageous claims about immigrants eating cats, or call Puerto Rico garbage, or crack watermelon jokes about African Americans, but God forbid anyone mispeak and call them trash. The horror! Give me a break.

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Blacklabel

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/10/30/why-kamala-harriss-chances-of-victory-just-jumped

not even a poll. 

No. An average of polls. Like 538 and Nate Silver.

just her “probability of victory”. Based on….what?

An average of polls. You don’t have to believe it.

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vulnerable Democrat senator:

Tammy Baldwin does not agree with President Biden," Andrew Mamo, Tammy Baldwin's campaign spokesman, told Fox News Digital.

doesn’t agree with what?

joe didn’t call Trump supporters garbage…right?

so she doesn’t agree that “the comments” were garbage- so she is fine with them?

never underestimate that ability of Joe to eff things up, a man once said.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

They'll make every excuse in the world for why it's okay to make outrageous claims 

Like calling the other side "nazis" and anti-white comments by fellow users?

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

“Zero “joy” here, just hate and anger and racism.

I agree sir, the rally at MSG was nothing but hate, anger and racism!!!

is it not going so well as you thought? lol

Not at all sir, Donald’s campaign is out of cash and dropping so fast they don’t know what’s hit them!!!

6 ( +10 / -4 )

I don't know if it's only me but I don't like how she smiles.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

Nor are Five Thirty Eight or Nate Silver pollsters,

Nate Silver is a pollster what are you talking about?

It’s an average of polls.

So which polls? They have names right?

In other words 1-2 polls vs 15 for Trump

Just like 538 and Nate Silver.

https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1851770173503549578?s=46&t=YGWP_lcRZjddiWlx4QxURQ

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

Good news everyone, I voted for-

Trump/Vance

Steve Garvey for Senate

Hochman for L.A. District Attorney

You are welcome!

0 ( +10 / -10 )

Like calling the other side "nazis"

oh boo hoo. Don't want to be called that? Stop jacking their rhetoric.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1851770173503549578?s=46&t=YGWP_lcRZjddiWlx4QxURQ

Sir it says Donald’s campaign has no more money, is that true@?????

7 ( +10 / -3 )

dropping so fast

dropping where?

what poll or betting market or prediction model?

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

Stupid comment from Biden.

Trump playing to the kind of stupid people who believed the 2020 election was stolen.

A lot of stupidity.

5 ( +11 / -6 )

The old man's behavior is a bit more erratic than usual. I think he is genuinely afraid. Of course, he is a convicted felon about to be sentenced, so there is that.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

trump’s continuing mental decline, where his rants are just a series of lies woven with gibberish and vance’s puppetry and willingness to slavishly invent conspiracies to behold himself to a deranged old man show neither have any moral compass at all.

and maga on their team who will go to any length to not see or acknowledge it are just a sad reflection on state of american society. going so far as to cheat and manipulate an election through treachery and lies.

no guarantees the u.s. will remain as a republic. hubris is a common thread of collapsed empires. and they all collapse. they collapse from within from arrogance and apathy toward any moral compass.

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bass4funk

Nor are Five Thirty Eight or Nate Silver pollsters,

Nate Silver is a pollster what are you talking about?

Nate Silver isn’t a pollster.

Like The Economist, he is an aggregator.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

Note: “ Breaking News: Trump is talking to the media from his own personalised garbage truck “—“personalized” (UK source, heheh).

I’m sure many of my fellow JT readers will agree with me about the key moments that are defining Trump’s campaign (still five days until Election Day) and that will be remembered as the moments that helped Trump return to the White House (because at the end of the day, it’s not just about who has better policies, it’s about connecting with people): The Mugshot; Assassination Attempt 1 (Butler, PA); Elon Musk and Bobby Kennedy Jr. (MAHA); Trump’s shift at Macdonald’s and Trump’s Garbage Truck.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

So Biden calls Trump supporters "garbage" and Trump calls Democrats "enemies within". At least the former doesn't really convey a threat.

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JoeToday  07:01 am JST

I wish Joe would shut his yap, but he was obviously talking about the collection of racists, xenophobes, anti-semites, general goobers and Rudy Giuliani.

Trump is desperate to deflect from his embrace of these scum bags and Joe gave him a straw to grasp at.

Joe Cool has more class than to name the Fuehrer of Sass. He doesn't need to. And trump is Trash anyway. Fact.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

This horror final week of candidates US 2024 campaigning has fallen head first into a toxic political cesspit of sneering contempt for the US electorate.

It is complete mystery President Bidens PR minders handlers sanctioned such a derogatory statement.

Joe Biden is clearly suffering many would suggest advanced cognitive decline, related to natures harsh reality of old age.

So how was Biden able to issue such a damaging statement?

There needs to be a nationwide US "vaccine" program to protect the US electorate from the "dangers, mental anguish" when in the vicinity of any "celebrity endorsement", or human contact from the "poisonous political "comedian".......

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

Democrats: there is no cheating in Pennsylvania! Zero! Total secure election!

also Democrats: we just filed a lawsuit in Pennsylvania. 20,000 of our mail in ballots are missing!

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Non citizens don’t and can’t vote!

“A Chinese student—who isn’t a U.S. citizen—was caught illegally voting in Michigan

But his vote WILL count because there’s no mechanism for officials to retrieve ballots after they’ve been illegally cast”

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Democrats: there is no cheating in Pennsylvania! Zero! Total secure election! 

Awesome sir!!

also Democrats: we just filed a lawsuit in Pennsylvania. 20,000 of our mail in ballots are missing!

Republicans cheating!!!!

That can never happen!!!

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Trump fans: See, cheat happens. We know it does, because we're doing it. Rogue's collars, these folks.

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All readers, please tone down your rhetoric.

dropping where? 

There’s no bottom sir!!!

what poll or betting market or prediction model?

Sir please don’t bet, it makes millionaires out of billionaires!!!!

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Non citizens don’t and can’t vote!

> “A Chinese student—who isn’t a U.S. citizen—was caught illegally voting in Michigan

> But his vote WILL count because there’s no mechanism for officials to retrieve ballots after they’ve been illegally cast”

Special advance sneak preview of the hundreds of posts coming Nov 7th -Japan time.

Most uncited, some from Xitter posts and Newsmax, Murdoch sites.

Stop the steal already right?

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Blacklabel

Non citizens don’t and can’t vote!

True. It’s not an issue.

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Blacklabel

Non citizens don’t and can’t vote!

Why did you claim millions of illegals are voting?

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itsonlyrocknroll

It is complete mystery President Bidens PR minders handlers sanctioned such a derogatory statement.

Don’t worry. Biden’s not campaigning to be president.

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Nor are Five Thirty Eight or Nate Silver pollsters,

Nate Silver isn’t a pollster.

Yes, he is, that is how he founded 538

Nathaniel Read Silver is an American statistician, writer, and poker player who analyzes baseball, basketball, and elections.

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bass4funk

Nor are Five Thirty Eight or Nate Silver pollsters,

Nate Silver isn’t a pollster.

Yes, he is, that is how he founded 538

True. And 538 isn’t a pollster.

*Nathaniel Read Silver is an American statistician, writer, and poker player who analyzes baseball, basketball, and *elections

Right! A statistician. Not a pollster.

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( *I’m sure many of my fellow JT readers will agree with me about the key moments that are defining Trump’s campaign (still five days until Election Day) and that will be remembered as the moments that helped Trump return to the White House (because at the end of the day, it’s not just about who has better policies, it’s about connecting with people): The MugshotAssassination Attempt 1 (Butler, PA); Elon Musk and Bobby Kennedy Jr. (MAHA); Trump’s shift at Macdonald’s and Trump’s Garbage Truck. *)

;

just to add that this is one of the most iconic campaigns of all time and if Trump is re–elected next week, it will be one of the greatest comebacks of all time and the greatest political comeback in American history.

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True. And 538 isn’t a pollster.

Ok, another lib euphemism, he is a statistician and what is their job? Getting stats and what do they do with electoral analytical stats? Overturn them to pollsters. There you go.

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rcch

( I’m sure many of my fellow JT readers will agree with me about the key moments that are defining Trump’s campaign (still five days until Election Day) and that will be remembered as the moments that helped Trump return to the White House (because at the end of the day, it’s not just about who has better policies, it’s about connecting with people): The Mugshot; Assassination Attempt 1 (Butler, PA); Elon Musk and Bobby Kennedy Jr. (MAHA); Trump’s shift at Macdonald’s and Trump’s Garbage Truck.)

Nah. The defining moment that will deny Trump the White House is the Puerto Rico is a garbage island.

Sorry.

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bass4funk

True. And 538 isn’t a pollster.

Ok, another lib euphemism, he is a statistician and what is their job? Getting stats and what do they do with electoral analytical stats? Overturn them to pollsters. There you go.

A pollster takes polls of the public. Completely different jobs.

Nate Silver and 538 haven't asked the public a single question.

They take polls from pollsters and aggregate them.

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Ok, another lib euphemism, he is a statistician and what is their job? Getting stats and what do they do with electoral analytical stats? Overturn them to pollsters.

Brilliant as usual sir, but what is a euphemism??

There you go.*

Where sir?

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bass4funk

what do they do with electoral analytical stats? Overturn them to pollsters. There you go.

Pollsters aren't their audience. They give pollsters nothing. Pollsters are the source of their analysis.

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A pollster takes polls of the public. Completely different jobs.

Where do they get them from? Statisticians.

There you go

Pollsters aren't their audience. They give pollsters nothing.

But information that they use to analyze voting trends

Pollsters are the source of their analysis.

You just repeated what I said. Now where does it say verbatim that Harris is winning? Where?

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He also referred to Harris as a "simpleton", "corrupt," "grossly incompetent" and "failed."

Those terms (which seem pretty factual to me personally) are on a completely different level from calling your opponent a "fascist" a "threat to democracy", and making references to the Nazis and saying he should be "taken out". The democrat side has ramped up the polemic to tasteless level I do not think I have seen before.

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bass4funk

A pollster takes polls of the public. Completely different jobs.

Where do they get them from? Statisticians.

No they don't. Pollsters ask the public (thousands of people) questions like who they are going to vote for. They collect this data and publish a poll.

Pollsters aren't their audience. They give pollsters nothing.

Pollsters are the source of their analysis.

You just repeated what I said. Now where does it say verbatim that Harris is winning? Where?

No I didn't. You sad that Nate Silver and 538 "Overturn them to pollsters." They don't.

Now where does it say verbatim that Harris is winning? Where

I didn't say that Harris is winning. I said a toss up:

The Economist

Why Kamala Harris’s chances of victory just jumped

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/10/30/why-kamala-harriss-chances-of-victory-just-jumped

BTW The Economist is alos a pollster, just not is in this case. Ever heard of YouGov/Economist polls?

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True. It’s not an issue.

not only did a non citizen just vote, it will be counted.

I was told neither thing was possible.

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Zaphod

He also referred to Harris as a "simpleton", "corrupt," "grossly incompetent" and "failed."

Those terms (which seem pretty factual to me personally) are on a completely different level from calling your opponent a "fascist" a "threat to democracy",

Correct. But calling Trump a "fascist" a "threat to democracy", is just stating facts.

The democrat side has ramped up the polemic to tasteless level I do not think I have seen before.

Relax. No they haven't.

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Blacklabel

True. It’s not an issue.

not only did a non citizen just vote, it will be counted.

I was told neither thing was possible.

Relax. One vote isn't going to swing the election.

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Let me repeat:

even after a non citizen illegally voted, there is no process to remove that illegal vote.

Why is there no process to remove an Illegal vote? Cause non citizens “can’t vote”. It’s “not needed”.

Well, it just happened.

if one can, more than 1 can.

a Chinese national just canceled out the vote of an American.

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not only did a non citizen just vote, it will be counted.

It will not be counted.

I was told neither thing was possible.

no. It's been repeatedly said, no outcome determinative vote fraud is happening. That does not happen.

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A pollster takes polls of the public. Completely different jobs.

But still analyzes stats, there you go

No they don't.

They do

Pollsters ask the public (thousands of people) questions like who they are going to vote for. They collect this data and publish a poll.

And they work together with the statistician, you are making my point for me

No I didn't. You sad that Nate Silver and 538 "Overturn them to pollsters." They don't.

They do, they have to, what are you talking about??

I didn't say that Harris is winning. I said a toss up:

That’s not good for her

BTW The Economist is alos a pollster,

You mean, they have dedicated pollsters working there, they do

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Ok, another lib euphemism, he is a statistician and what is their job? Getting stats and what do they do with electoral analytical stats? Overturn them to pollsters.

Brilliant as usual sir, but what is a euphemism??

It’s something I won’t understand until I finally crack open a dictionary.

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no. It's been repeatedly said, no outcome determinative vote fraud is happening. That does not happen.

I’m just happy that the Supreme Court stepped in and stopped this nuttiness of the stupid crazy Supreme Court justices in that state. Disaster averted

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