UK's Starmer says Europe is at ‘crossroads in history’ as leaders agree to steps to Ukraine peace

They should have acknowledged Trump's break with the civilized world by not mentioning the US in their resolutions. There is no point in dragging the infantile along.

Trump and Putin are bringing us all closer to WW3.

After the meeting, Zelenskyy went to visit King Charles.

Trump will be miffed with that.

Great to see some maturity after Friday's clown show.

Britain's Prime Minister Keir Starmer is deserves praise, credit.

Starmer brought Europe leadership together for a crucial summit.

Excuse my humour, I can't help wondering slouching Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk, like some iffy Uncle eyeing up the silverware.

He's hardly exaggerating. Europe used to be able to assume that it was, by and large, on the same page as the US. That is now very much in doubt.

I don't know if Zelenskyy and Ukraine can afford to completely burn their bridges with the US, but if it's possible to do so, he should make it a top priority and work with Europe, Canada, Australia, etc...countries which don't have Kremlin-controlled toddler puppets in charge.

The ‘bust up’ was clearly a set up.

I guess we should thank jd and 47 for bungling it so badly they actually helped unite support for Ukraine.

Never thought I'd say this, but Starmer this weekend was reminincent of Churchill in 1940.

Why is Justin in the "Europe" photo?

Trump and Putin are bringing us all closer to WW3.

No, but Zelenskyy is definitely not helping his country by staying on. It’s just not working out. Now if Europe has a better way of dealing with Putin, go ahead, they think they can take on the largest nuclear power on the planet, fine. If Ukraine won’t make serious concessions, It won’t end up well for them, over 7 million Ukrainians left and more are leaving each day. Europe thinks they can handle this, then do so, I wholeheartedly support it, we did enough, now Europe should do all the heavy work.

The EU brigade couldn't knock the head off a beer. There will be no EU 'peacekeeping' force in Ukraine or 'security guarantees' (NATO via the backdoor). Watch.

Starmer is not a Churchill or anything close. He had his portrait removed from the British parliament building. Trump had his bust moved back into the oval office.

Sorry to burst your bubbles but Europe does not have much to offer Ukraine. Ukraine's biggest problem is a lack of manpower to fight. Is the UK going to put frontline troops on the ground? Obviously no, but for arguments sake lets play along. Of the UK army less than 12,000 are combat troops. Enough to help hold the line at one of the fronts for a month or so. France, Germany are similar. No chance of advancing or taking Crimea..

Then we have munitions they can offer.

Never thought I'd say this, but Starmer this weekend was reminincent of Churchill in 1940.

Someone had to assume leadership now that Trump has abdicated the role.

bass4funk

Trump and Putin are bringing us all closer to WW3.

No, but Zelenskyy is definitely not helping his country by staying on. It’s just not working out.

It's working out fine. He has more popularity now because Trump's and Vance's shameful bullying in the White House.

Now if Europe has a better way of dealing with Putin, go ahead,

Better than kowtowing to Putin? Couldn't be worse than this clown show.

JJEStarmer is not a Churchill or anything close. He had his portrait removed from the British parliament building. Trump had his bust moved back into the oval office.

Churchill was a colonialist and a racist.

But he didn't back the enemy in times of war.

Russian nuclear weapons are not a threat unless Putin decides to end the world. The UK and France also have nuclear weapons and Europe is protected by American ones.

The EU brigade couldn't knock the head off a beer. There will be no EU 'peacekeeping' force in Ukraine or 'security guarantees' (NATO via the backdoor). Watch.

Europe has a population four times the size of Russia, am economy ten times the size, two nuclear powers and armies that are not weakened by three years of war.

Three years in which Putin's army couldn't take more than 10% of Ukraine.

Russia will back down when anyone its own size stands up to it. It always has and it always will

Europe has been anxious since Trump initiated direct peace talks with Putin, who had been isolated by most Western leaders since invading Ukraine three years ago.

That isolation has prolonged the war, resulting in Ukraine losing more land and more lives.

What has Europe done in three years to bring the war closer to an end? Granted, they were forced to be in partnership with Bungling-Joe-Biden during that time, but if none of those European leaders recognized his constantly diminishing capacity then Europe is in more trouble than we can see.

Given that Putin is now relying on North Korean troops to plug gaps in his forces, he needed this peace deal as much as anyone.

Whilst he has some inexplicable hold on Donald Trump, he cannot fool the rest of the world so easily.

This will cost Europe, but its economy is far larger than Russias. There is also $300bn of Russian money sitting in frozen bank accounts in Europe. So far just the interest on that is being given to Ukraine, but the total sum is nearly twice as much as the US has given to Ukraine.

Time to spend the Russian money to defend Ukraine.

Give Putin an inch and he will take a mile.

Russia will back down when anyone its own size stands up to it. It always has and it always will.

Totally false. On initial invasions, ask Napolean and Hitler.

Give Putin an inch and he will take a mile.

As he had been doing the last three years.

Now, with Trump in charge, this war will come to an end.

I spot Justin Trudeau up there, Canada must have been annexed by the EU.

I spot Justin Trudeau up there, Canada must have been annexed by the EU.

You know the UK is also not in the EU, right? Canada is a commonwealth country with close ties to Europe. The more the merrier.

It's working out fine.

So good, then I hope he and Europe don’t ask for anything. I pray that you are right

He has more popularity now because Trump's and Vance's shameful bullying in the White House.

Then Zelenskyy should have kept his mouth shut and not say anything particularly in public.

Better than kowtowing to Putin? Couldn't be worse than this clown show.

Yes, especially with a country that has the largest nuke arsenal. So it’s better to stroke his ego, because no one else can stop him. Not Europe, so Zelenskyy either makes a deal or goes it alone, makes no difference to this administration.

iknowall

Now, with Trump in charge, this war will come to an end.

Have you been following recent events?

Trump's peace deal is in tatters.

People seem to think that any lack of support for Ukraine is support for Putin. This is simply not the case.

VoiceOfReason

People seem to think that any lack of support for Ukraine is support for Putin. This is simply not the case.

It is in this case.

The White House is completely on Putin's side.

You know the UK is also not in the EU, right? Canada is a commonwealth country with close ties to Europe. The more the merrier.

Norway was also there. But you know Norway is also not in the EU, right?

And did you know Norway is not a commonwealth country?

But I agree--the more the merrier.

They're going to need it!

It's frustrating to see how much the USA has given to Ukraine, far more than Europe, and here the USA wants peace and an end to the bloodshed and Europe wants to puff out its chest and act like top dog as if they had really done anything for Ukraine these past years.

Yes Europe has given money to Ukraine. But like NATO, Europe wants the USA to pay for everything so now Europe as all about "We're taking the moral high ground and maybe we can shame the USA into taking on more of this burden" strategy

Norway and Canada are NATO members.

bass4funk

Yes, especially with a country that has the largest nuke arsenal.

With nukes, it really doesn't matter how big your arsenal is. If we start using them, everybody loses.

So it’s better to stroke his ego, because no one else can stop him. Not Europe,

Oh, Putin can be stopped. His economy is weak and he can't keep fighting this war. Just like the lessons of Afghanistan, superior force doesn't always win.

so Zelenskyy either makes a deal or goes it alone, makes no difference to this administration.

That's the shameful part of this. Trump has turned the US into a traitor.

VoiceOfReason

It's frustrating to see how much the USA has given to Ukraine, far more than Europe, and here the USA wants peace and an end to the bloodshed and Europe wants to puff out its chest and act like top dog as if they had really done anything for Ukraine these past years.

Neville Chamberlain just wanted peace too. How did that work out?

Maybe, Europe has learned from their mistakes.

Yes Europe has given money to Ukraine. But like NATO, Europe wants the USA to pay for everything so now

Not at all. Zelenskyy was offering rare earth minerals.

Europe as all about "We're taking the moral high ground and maybe we can shame the USA into taking on more of this burden" strategy

I think they want to shame the US for siding with Putin.

Between 24 January 2022 and the end of 2024, Europe as a whole spent $138.7bn on Ukraine. In the same period, the United States spent $119.7bn,

Europe has NO CHOICE but to do and follow what Pres. Trump wants and that is PEACE.

The other choice is to carry on with this meat grinder ALONE.

Churchill knowingly starved several million Bengalis to death and extended WWII through an inept insistance on invading Italy before France. This extended the war by possibly up to a year. A lot of people died and extremely bad things happened in that time. He made nice speeches on the wireless, but they don't make him a hero. He was booted out of office as soon as the war ended.

Getting back to this meeting, but this war has to end and as soon as possible before major escalation. Zelensky's comments about not ceding land seem nuts to me, they chose to fight and have lost, and that will come with consequences. Zelensky himself is the result of US neocon meddling in Ukraine, and should not be viewed as some organic representation of what Ukraine was several years ago, to say nothing of what the same land mass is today. This is not going to end with Ukraine having the same borders as in 2016.

The UK is prepared to back this with boots on the ground and planes in the air, together with others.

great! Zelensky, his issues and his incessant demands? all yours!

The very next sentence:

“He said any plan would require strong U.S. backing”. 

no thanks.

The break is clear, and Trump is deeply compromised. His (MAGAs) hostility of Ukraine and admiration of Putin was on full display. Starmer and others understand Europe will have to go it alone. No chance of US negotiating a just and lasting peace. Fortunately Trumps tariffs, and disdain for him and his policies, is driving them together and empowering support for Ukraine. Definitely a turning point - perhaps, the end of the beginning?

Pres. Trump did it again, Rattle the cages of Europe like Netanyahu's so something can be done to end the fighting FAST,

WELL DONE SIR.

bass4funkToday 07:29 am JST

Trump and Putin are bringing us all closer to WW3.

No, but Zelenskyy is definitely not helping his country by staying on. It’s just not working out.

It's not working out for Trump-Putin, you can be honest about that.

Then Zelenskyy should have kept his mouth shut and not say anything particularly in public.

The leader of a country is not allowed to say anything in public? How about the manchildren Trump-Vance keep their yaps shut for once?

Yes, especially with a country that has the largest nuke arsenal. So it’s better to stroke his ego, because no one else can stop him.

Yes, I remember when Reagan said it was important not to anger the Soviet Union because it had the largest nuclear arsenal. Not.

With nukes, it really doesn't matter how big your arsenal is. If we start using them, everybody loses.

Short-range missiles can hit a precise target.

Oh, Putin can be stopped.

How?

His economy is weak and he can't keep fighting this war.

So why is Russia thriving

https://youtu.be/tnIiUpOKwtE?si=GjCLqAZFIp3yX685, 

Just like the lessons of Afghanistan, superior force doesn't always win.

Biden, yes, that withdrawal…

That's the shameful part of this. Trump has turned the US into a traitor.

If you think so, I disagree

Mr KiplingToday 07:50 am JST

Sorry to burst your bubbles but Europe does not have much to offer Ukraine.

4x the GDP of russia. Where there is a will there is a way.

kohakuebisu

Getting back to this meeting, but this war has to end and as soon as possible before major escalation.

That's why the US can't act as a traitor now.

Zelensky's comments about not ceding land seem nuts to me, they chose to fight and have lost, and that will come with consequences.

What comments are you referring to. Zelenskyy is willing to ceasefire with Russia occupying parts of Ukraine. But he isn't willing to say that that land is Russian. That's perfectly reasonable.

Zelensky himself is the result of US neocon meddling in Ukraine,

There has been no neocon meddling in Ukraine. Any meddling has been from Russia.

and should not be viewed as some organic representation of what Ukraine was several years ago, to say nothing of what the same land mass is today. This is not going to end with Ukraine having the same borders as in 2016.

Sure. Not for the peace deal. But that doesn't mean that Ukraine will give up sovereignty of that land.

""Never thought I'd say this, but Starmer this weekend was reminincent of Churchill in 1940.""

Not even close,

Sir Churchill LED Britain to VICTORY and not defeat.

VoiceOfReasonToday 08:39 am JST

It's frustrating to see how much the USA has given to Ukraine, far more than Europe, and here the USA wants peace and an end to the bloodshed and Europe wants to puff out its chest and act like top dog as if they had really done anything for Ukraine these past years.

Yes Europe has given money to Ukraine. But like NATO, Europe wants the USA to pay for everything so now Europe as all about "We're taking the moral high ground and maybe we can shame the USA into taking on more of this burden" strategy

Europe has given more than the US. Look it up. And just because the US gave a lot of weapons and zero troops doesn't give it the right to declare how the war is going to end.

Never thought I'd say this, but Starmer this weekend was reminincent of Churchill in 1940

I’m not a fan of Starmer but he was quite impressive here.

Then again, doesn’t take much to look statesmanlike and decent in comparison to the ones in the tank for Putin.

Just don’t have more love and admiration for people who invade other people’s countries. A low bar, but that’s where Trump and Vance have set it.

WoodyLeeToday 09:03 am JST

Sir Churchill LED Britain to VICTORY and not defeat.

Because the US didn't chicken out for that one.

bass4funkToday 09:00 am JST

His economy is weak and he can't keep fighting this war.

So why is Russia thriving

https://youtu.be/tnIiUpOKwtE?si=GjCLqAZFIp3yX685, 

I bet NK has some supermarkets to show to rubes on the internet.

Just like the lessons of Afghanistan, superior force doesn't always win.

Biden, yes, that withdrawal…

We're going to have fond memories of the Biden strength when Odessa is in russian hands, the US is kicked out of Europe and East Asia, and Taiwan belongs to the PRC.

bass4funk

With nukes, it really doesn't matter how big your arsenal is. If we start using them, everybody loses.

Short-range missiles can hit a precise target.

And all sides have them. As soon as one is fired, we all lose.

Oh, Putin can be stopped.

How?

Take the Russian reserves in Europe, and use it to pay for weapons for Ukraine.

Putin can't sustain this war.

His economy is weak and he can't keep fighting this war.

So why is Russia thriving

https://youtu.be/tnIiUpOKwtE?si=GjCLqAZFIp3yX685, 

It's not. Interest rates are 21%, bankruptcies are piling up. Inflation is high, around 10%, more for food. The only way that GDP is up, is because of all the war spending.

Just like the lessons of Afghanistan, superior force doesn't always win.

Biden, yes, that withdrawal…

I was referring to Russia's withdrawal.

But Biden's withdrawal was mostly Trump's blunder. Negotiating with the Taliban and not the Afghan government. Oh wait, that's what he is doing now. You can see why this won't bring peace.

That's the shameful part of this. Trump has turned the US into a traitor.

If you think so, I disagree

What has Trump demanded of Russia?

Sir Churchill LED Britain to VICTORY and not defeat.

Ukraine isn't defeated either, in case you haven't checked. How's life in the disinformation sphere?

Looks like the Europeans are moving backwards. Centuries of war between them. Unfortunately, they now have nukes. Party on EU dudes!

@ TaiwanIsChina

Teflon Don is trying to make peace, is he not?

C’mon Man!

"" Starmer told the BBC before the summit that he does not trust Russian President Vladimir Putin but does trust Trump.""

We can all agree on NOT trusting Pres. Putin due to past dealings, BUT something has to be done to end these killings on both side, 3 years has passed and all we see is DEATH and DESTRUCTION with Ukrainian and Russian young women and men paying the price for these GAMES while the rest are just WATCHING,

As one politician put it " All fine as long as NATO soldiers are not dying ".

Joe Biden presidency provided Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy with the logistics, the weaponry, political support, every encouragement to stand firm to face the aggressor.

Two indisputable facts, President Putin invaded, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the people of Ukraine have been brutally violated.

Putin has sanctioned heinous atrocities.

President Trump, calls to President Putin offers a possible path to a peace deal.

The UK Guardian broadsheet has stated

*Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, sought to move the conversation forward from his difficult meeting with the US president, Donald Trump, on Friday saying it was “best left to history”, as he signalled Ukraine’s readiness to sign the minerals deal and hoped for “constructive” talks with the US administration on the next steps.*  

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer clearly offers an intermediary role.

Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, its people, will face an ominous future, surrender.

Only US milltary strength, political influence can provide a backstop from a road that rightfully could lead to oblivion.

I think Europe has be given a second chance, its citizens people security is, must be understood, as Europe's sole 21st century responsibility.

Elephant in the room is the EU 'peacekeeping' force won't enjoy a UN mandate and requires a 'security guarantee' for its own welfare.

Look at photo 2 and 6 - the Household on ceremonial in their bearskin hats in seasonal.

Starmer and his pals aren't holding any cards. Two of them in the main photo have been rejected by their own voters and are on the way out (the German in back middle and Justin with the grin). This is all completely laughable. Only EU territory changing hands is from the woman on the left second row and not from Russia/China.

About the only thing that makes any common sense here is they are all on top of the government's wine cellars. These people are addicted to pointless meetings.

It is yet another Europe problem, with the same protagonists dragging the world to yet another World War.

Let’s keep this one an all-Europe affair.

It is yet another Europe problem, with the same protagonists dragging the world to yet another World War.

The same protagonists? What are you talking about?

I’d stick to fashion tips.

The White House is completely on Putin's side.

White House is trying to end this terrible war to and bring peace to Ukraine.

This POTUS is on Putin's side , he is a Kremlin asset and other nonsense is just anti Trump forces political rhetoric.

This is the end of NATO. The USA has now sided with the enemy. How tragic! All because of one man.

Starmer is showing real leadership here, and I applaud his efforts.

I've been disappointed in him thus far, since he has gone soft on China (refusing to condemn the Xinjiang Genocide, despite vowing to do so; and preventing a trip to the UK by Tsai Ing-wen), but he is doing exactly the right thing here, along with Macron and others.

Europe has not forgotten the causes of WWII, even if the Appeaser in Chief over in the White House neither understands nor cares.

The same protagonists? What are you talking about?

He's just trying to make it look like the unprovoked russian agression on Ukraine is actually a European problem, caused by Europe, that could drag the world into a new war.

In other words, he's repeating russian propaganda.

TaiwanIsNotChina , It's not working out for Trump-Putin, you can be honest about that.

What we know with certainty is that it definitely did not work our for Biden strategy , we can all be honest about that.

4x the GDP of russia. Where there is a will there is a way.

There is not enough will by European taxpayers to keep funding the war until Ukraine " gets its territories back".

That's why the US can't act as a traitor now.

US is not a traitor.

I bet NK has some supermarkets to show to rubes on the internet.

I see

We're going to have fond memories of the Biden strength when Odessa is in russian hands, the US is kicked out of Europe and East Asia, and Taiwan belongs to the PRC.

Not sure what that has anything to do with his disastrous withdrawal, but yeah, go on that tangent.

Polish guy front row right has an odd posture - this because he broke his left leg in a skiing accident recently. The brace is visible on said limb in the main photo.

JJEToday 09:31 am JST

Elephant in the room is the EU 'peacekeeping' force won't enjoy a UN mandate

Elephant in the room is that Putin's unilateral, unprovoked war of conquest and vanity doesn't enjoy a UN mandate.

FYI, when one of the permanent members of the Security Council commits heinous aggression in this way, the free world does not wait for it to vote against itself at the UN before acting.

Starmer and his pals aren't holding any cards.

Interesting to see you're using the "cards" analogy, just like your operative in the White House.

With nukes, it really doesn't matter how big your arsenal is. If we start using them, everybody loses.

Short-range missiles can hit a precise target.

And all sides have them. As soon as one is fired, we all lose.

Then so be it

Oh, Putin can be stopped.

How?

Take the Russian reserves in Europe, and use it to pay for weapons for Ukraine.

Putin can't sustain this war.

So why aren't they doing that? Yeeees?

His economy is weak and he can't keep fighting this war.

So why is Russia thriving

https://youtu.be/tnIiUpOKwtE?si=GjCLqAZFIp3yX685, 

It's not.

And yet, people are thriving and surviving, please dig some more.

I was referring to Russia's withdrawal.

How is Afghanistan doing these days with our weapons?

But Biden's withdrawal was mostly Trump's blunder.

Wait, so now you want to hold Trump in charge for Zelenskyy's mistake because after all the buck stops with Trump and while Biden was President, the buck doesn't stop with him because it was Trump's blunder? Like I said, it is always fun and amusing talking to Europeans about geopolitical politics, never a dull moment, ever. Lol

What has Trump demanded of Russia?

Ask him.

Not an analogy. Just reality and the whole EU group here is not playing a strong hand by any measure. All indicative of desperation and confusion.

WoodyLeeToday 09:23 am JST

We can all agree on NOT trusting Pres. Putin due to past dealings, BUT something has to be done to end these killings on both side, 3 years has passed and all we see is DEATH and DESTRUCTION with Ukrainian and Russian young women and men paying the price for these GAMES while the rest are just WATCHING,

As one politician put it " All fine as long as NATO soldiers are not dying ".

How long did the war in Afghanistan last? Ukraine's territory is not a game for you to ragequit and russian deaths are deserved deaths.

MAGAs who still can't see what pathetic little treasonous bullies DJT and JDV were in that meeting at some point have to admit that's who they are as well. Europe is now the leader of the free world. DJT is Putin's stooge.

OkinawaRiderToday 10:06 am JST

TaiwanIsNotChina , It's not working out for Trump-Putin, you can be honest about that.

What we know with certainty is that it definitely did not work our for Biden strategy , we can all be honest about that.

You are an expert on the russian economy and military to know their situation now. Fascinating.

4x the GDP of russia. Where there is a will there is a way.

There is not enough will by European taxpayers to keep funding the war until Ukraine " gets its territories back".

There is a will to keep Ukraine sovereign with the territory it has, though, which more than we can say for King Trump.

stormcrowToday  09:54 am JST This is the end of NATO.

That is overly dramatic, of course this isn't the end of NATO.

Looks like the Europeans are moving backwards. Centuries of war between them. Unfortunately, they now have nukes. Party on EU dudes!

It would be better for everyone if they talked it out instead of nuking it out. That is what Trump WH is trying to achieve.

There has been no neocon meddling in Ukraine.

Now lets be honest, of course there has been.

JJEToday 09:31 am JST

the EU 'peacekeeping' force won't enjoy a UN mandate

The EU force requires only the shooting stop long enough to get them in.

You foreigner are on your own, American got more internal problems and you are not a priority,only way to deal.with an American,is through coercive psychological legal means,

isabelleToday  10:11 am JST..... just like your operative in the White House.

Proof of the Kremlin operative in the White House accusation would be just splendid.

Proof of the Kremlin operative in the White House accusation would be just splendid.

This is from the Kremlin on Sunday - and who do you think is responsible for making this happen?

"The new administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told state television on Sunday. "This largely aligns with our vision."

Any foreign force entering the theatre will be targeted by Russian command. Will look like Iskander ballistics and more. Hiding under some flag won't prevent this. The main line of contact is over 1000km. Starmer and Macron and the others can maybe scrape up a 25 thousand man "force" or there abouts. These people really don't have a clue and at most will backfire in spectacular fashion and only make Russia more and more angry.

These knuckle dragging so called European leaders where have they been for the past 2 years? Peace before minerals not minerals for peace

Another big mistake by Starmer in a tragic attempt to boost his popularity. The war must end without his childish meddling.

bass4funk

But Biden's withdrawal was mostly Trump's blunder.

Wait, so now you want to hold Trump in charge for Zelenskyy's mistake

What? Zelenskyy hasn't made a mistake.

because after all the buck stops with Trump and while Biden was President, the buck doesn't stop with him because it was Trump's blunder?

The facts are the facts. The buck stops with mostly, but not totally, Trump for the Afghan deal, because he is the one that brokered it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/30/us-afghanistan-war-military-pullout-report-biden-trump

Like I said, it is always fun and amusing talking to Europeans about geopolitical politics, never a dull moment, ever. Lol

I'm sure it is. I'm not a European.

What has Trump demanded of Russia?

Ask him.

Nothing. If he had, we would know about it.

Starmer is a new Winston Churchill of UK. Only UK and France and Turkey had fought with Russia in history. US has never ever fought with Russia in close combat or long range since 1776. UK has 225 nuclear warheads. France has 290 nuclear warheads. Russia has 5580 nuclear warheads. However delivery, air defenses system and speed will decide the outcome. Battle of Crimea has been distant memory. In those old days, there were only two options. March or Die!

On March 28, 1854, Great Britain and France declared war on Russia, joining the Ottoman Empire in a conflict that became known as The Crimean War. European powers had not fought a major war against each other since the Napoleonic Wars which ended in 1815. The Crimean War was an imperial war fought on many fronts, including modern day Ukraine, the Baltic Seas, and the Kamchatka Peninsula of East Asia. 

Big problem for Ukraine and war support is corruption DOGE's uncovering. US voters won't like it. EU politicians and voters will be strongly influenced by DOGE findings.

Probably most important however is falling support for war inside Ukraine, lack of ability to recruit sufficient manpower for UA etc. EU has to take into to account realistic 'viability' of Ukraine to even continue this war.

DJT made his position clear, Ukraine has no military path

HopeSpringsEternal

Big problem for Ukraine and war support is corruption DOGE's uncovering. US voters won't like it. EU politicians and voters will be strongly influenced by DOGE findings.

Not this again. DOGE has found nothing. It's a corrupt organization pretending to be a department, and they have found no fraud, and no savings.

And, what they are doing is illegal.

Probably most important however is falling support for war inside Ukraine, lack of ability to recruit sufficient manpower for UA etc. EU has to take into to account realistic 'viability' of Ukraine to even continue this war.

Russia has similar recruitment problems.

DJT made his position clear, Ukraine has no military path

Well DJT doesn't understand war, peace or foreign affairs, so he can make an ignorant position as clear as he wants, but it doesn't mean we have to listen to it.

Starmer said he will later bring a more formal plan to the U.S. and work with Trump.

Why not do it w/o US.. now's the ideal opportunity..

Ukraine isn't defeated either

Well all of Ukraine was never invaded in the first place as such not defeated..

bass4funk

But Biden's withdrawal was mostly Trump's blunder.

But he was President, his generals told him not to go about doing the withdrawal the way he did. Who was President, Joe Biden, and as he said, the buck stops with him, I am not arguing with him on that. I am agreeing with him. Watch the video.

Trump was president when the deals about the Afghan withdrawal were made. I'm not absolving Biden of responsibility either. All I'm saying is that the deal Trump made was a bad deal.

So why would we trust him to do another "peace deal"?

What? Zelenskyy hasn't made a mistake.

I disagree

So what was his mistake?

Nothing. If he had, we would know about it.

And what does that have anything to do with Zelenskyy running out of time? You make it seem as if the US is succumbing to a war.

This was in reference to: That's the shameful part of this. Trump has turned the US into a traitor.

Starmer brought Europe leadership together for a crucial summit

He does not have the means to realize the peace, he needs to talk to Trump and ensure Zelenskyy apologizes, than only the peace path will work.

Starmer pledged to supply more arms to defend Ukraine, announcing that the UK will use 1.6 billion pounds ($2 billion) in export financing to supply 5,000 air defense missiles.

.

And what will those arms be used for?

To attack Russia.

As soon as Ukraine received Storm

Shadow missiles from the UK, they were used to access Russian airspace!

Where is talk of a ceasefire?

When are the Ukrainians and EU states going to discuss peace?

No doubt the dead Ukrainian soldiers will shortly be replaced by Europeans, willingly or unwillingly.

Conscription could well become a thing.

Who are the winners?

It’s all about making profit for European weapons’ manufacturers.

Besides political calculations, EU officials must take into account importance of the US to their safety and the damage a Ukraine war policy split would do to NATO, not to mention economic and investment considerations.

No analyst thinks EU will go it alone on Ukraine, besides lacking sufficient military capacity, above considerations too weighty, Trump's driving the Ukraine war decision.

DJT Committed to Peace, easy way using his plan or the hard way where the EU and Ukraine go it alone and fail.

What a disgrace the floundering milquetoast Starmer is using an invitation to a second state visit from King Charles to kiss Trump's backside! Felonious presidents and sexual predators should be persona non grata in the palace.

Many people in EU and their politicians LIKE DJT's 4 Step Ukraine Peace Plan; Rapid Ceasefire, Codify Peace Agreement, Deploy Peacekeeping troops not under the command of NATO and extensive reconstruction and economic redevelopment taking DECADES.

DJT laid out above on Friday at Oval Office for entire world, including EU politicians, to clearly understand.

Big Problem for EU politicians opposing DJT, they have no clear roadmap, just more status quo expensive, deadly and risky war with a UA that's losing badly.

TaiwanIsNotChina, How about the manchildren Trump-Vance keep their yaps shut for once?

They are the President and VP and they speak out for US interests.

 it definitely did not work our for Biden strategy , we can all be honest about that.

You are an expert on the russian economy and military to know their situation now. Fascinating.

Almost as much as you, fascinating.

The USF Preferring to stand with Russia and Israel whose leaders are wanted to face charges of genocide against humanity. Lick Lick, bend the knee USF.

mrtinjp

Starmer brought Europe leadership together for a crucial summit

He does not have the means to realize the peace, he needs to talk to Trump and ensure Zelenskyy apologizes,

What are you talking about? Apologize for what?

than only the peace path will work.

What peace path? Trump has None.