Desert Tortoise comments

We need to see his manifesto to ascertain the extent of his affiliation with the No Kings movement.

Apparently not just a flyer but writings on the subject.

He was going to target them.

This is about the most pointless war imaginable. Not sharing any land borders and lacking amphibious lift neither country can invade the other and win. Lacking the sorts of heavy ordnance necessary to penetrate into Iran's several deeply buried nuclear facilities it is impossible for Israel to completely stop Iran from further nuclear development. They will rebuild what they have lost deep underground and go on confident Israel can no longer harm their nuclear program and the IAEA will have lost any ability to monitor them.

About all either side can do is throw a finite number of missiles at each other and do some damage to each's economies and military sites but neither can destroy the other. A lot of death and destruction for nothing, all so Bibi can keep his fractured coalition together a few more months, maybe, and avoid an election at any cost. A lot of blood shed and material loss for no good purpose.

It looks like there is a competition in the Trump administration to see who can come up with the most ridiculous idea that Trump will embrace and advocate for. Case in point.

It is in "Project 2025" and even last year critics were warning that a Trump administration would gut FEMA. It differs in details but openly states the goal is to shift the cost of disaster relief primarily to states and to end grants and flood insurance.

You make it hard as possible, degrade their capabilities of proliferation and enrichment

Iran's main enrichment halls are buried too deep for any weapon Israel possesses to reach. It is questionable whether even the USAFs 13,600 kg GBU-57 could destroy these deeply buried sites.

Very true, so how would you compensate for that…oh, you just kill all the top scientists in the field that work on developing the nukes…oh, I forgot, they did just that.

Again, it only slows them for a time. The job I just retired from ( at a weapons lab ) had equivalent scientists and engineers. Killing the top scientists in our organization would not have ended any program. We all had enough understanding of the problems and solutions to carry fourth the work of our department heads, program managers and team leads were they to go away for some reason. They are never the sole repositories of knowledge. People in their positions are mostly managing people and money, not doing the day to day engineering and science. They have large staffs doing that.

And Mossad and the IDF will target more of these scientists that will come on board. You can replace people, but you can’t replace time.

Assuming your enemy learns nothing from their losses is the kind of arrogance that causes nasty future defeats.

Seems like the Israelis eliminated a problem

Laughable. Israel lacks an aircraft capable of carrying the size and weight of the kinds of bombs necessary to damage or destroy Iran's deeply buried sites. It is an open question whether the USAF's GBU-57, a 13,600 kg guided hard target penetrator bomb has enough energy to defeat Iran's most deeply buried sites, and there is only one aircraft in the world able to deploy that bomb, the B-2. At best Israel can slow the Iranian program but what they have most likely accomplished is twofold. One, Iran will now bury everything deep enough that no weapon can reach their facilities and two, this has probably convinced Iran of the necessity of possessing a nuclear arsenal of their own.

Netanyahu has been claiming Iran is just months away from a nuclear weapon for 25 years now.

The real story is that Bibi's coalition was days away from collapse as Shas threatened to leave. This would likely force an election that Bibi would loose.

They detonated a nuclear payload recently. The IAEA approves that they are assembling a warhead.

That is not what they sald. What the IAEA did say was that Iran was out of compliance with its obligations under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/

This whole mess has nothing to do with Iran being on the verge of having a nuclear weapon. Rather it is about the fact that immediately prior to Israel launching this attack on Iran, Bibi's coalition partner Shas was about to pull out of their coalition over a law that allows ultra orthodox seminar students to be drafted. Shas wanted the law revised and was threatening to leave the coalition if they didn't get their way. Rather than face an election he might very well loose Bibi that old reprobate launched Israel into a new and very dangerous war. Every one of these Iranian and Israeli casualties died so Bibi could stay in office.

So much winning : /

Congress would have to amend the Stafford Act. The Executive Branch has no authority to do so unilaterally. States will challenge this is court and likely win.

Naturally, these experts mean ZERO thrust, as the engines could have technically been "on", but for practical purposes there is no distinction.

You are obviously not a pilot or anyone with any experience in aviation. Take off requires maximum engine power and a flap setting. This airplane took off from midfield and the pilots very obviously failed to lower the flaps as required for take off. So two strikes right out of the gate, insufficient take off run and no flaps. A third strike was the weather at the time, hot and humid. Both cause the air to become less dense. That means less lift from the wings and less power from the engines. Thin air cannot burn as much fuel as cold dry dense air. As a helicopter pilot with some stiff wing time ( initial training in the T-34C, some TA-4J joy rides and some civil stiff wing flying later in life ) you learn fast that most aircraft, fighters maybe excepted, live and too often die on what is called density altitude. With hot humid air, forgetting to set flaps and a midfield take off if even one engine can't make full rate power you might not be able to fly. A longer runway run might have allowed the plane to achieve a higher speed before rotation for take off and that just might have bought them enough of a margin to recover from a partial power loss on one engine.. And obtw I personally know what that looks like because I've been there and done that, and lived to tell about it.

If you have been around aviation and aviation mishaps for any length of time you learn it is never just one thing that leads to a mishap. It is a chain of events. We have procedures on top of procedures in aviation precisely to minimize the chances of the human in the chain omitting necessary steps. And if you do, but are adhering to the checklist and are diligent an subsequent step should tell you, oh crud I forgot to do __ .

Probably thinks he is going to get a pardon!

Murder is a state crime. A US President can only pardon those convicted of Federal crimes. It would require a Minnesota governor to pardon him if convicted.

You actually have to wonder what the dude was thinking because there was no way he was going to get away with these murders and just go on living his life like nothing happened.

Yeah Right Iran is not a threat to American,name one Iranian that killed an American in America

Iran has tried to kill Americans in America but failed fortunately. You might remember the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner mistakenly thinking it was an Iran Air Force aircraft attacking Vincennes while Vincennes was in the middle of a running gunfight with some Iranian patrol boats that had fired on a US Navy helicopter

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-03-12-mn-883-story.html

And there was this attempt by Iran to silence a critic of their government living in New York.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-men-convicted-iranian-plot-kill-us-based-critic-rcna197582

Did you know Hamas are legitimately designated a terrorist organization.

Did you know they had been carrying out terrorist rocket attacks against Israeli cities for decades.

And Israel took it on the chin until finally Hamas shot Israeli’s attending dance parties and took hostages, some of whom were beheaded on social media feeds?

No, of course you didn’t.

That’s just too inconvenient for you so it gets deleted from your narrative.

A full frontal display of western colonial arrogance. A people have their land and livelihoods taken from them by force for the sin of belonging to the wrong religion, their land colonized by people from other lands then those very same colonists and their western supporters act all surprised and indignant when the rightful land owners fight back.

Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah do not exist in a vacuum. Israel created these groups by their colonial lust for land. The original Arab population of Palestine has every right to fight back against the Israelis. If my land was taken by force from me under similar circumstances I would fight too, and I would be every bit as ruthless as Hamas. No quarter given. The Israelis have held the Palestinians in two giant open air prisons since 1967. That is 58 years. Imagine how Japan or Germany would have reacted had the US not only occupied their nations for 58 years after WWII but forced the native population off their land at gunpoint, forced to live in misery in concentration, er I mean refugee, camps while Americans took their land and their homes as their own. Think the Germans and Japanese would have just rolled over for that? Amazing the tripe that comes from supporters of Israeli colonialism.

The victim just recently voted to cut State funding for illegal immigrants and the suspect had many No Kings flyers in his car and a Tim Walz appointee. He is a pure nut job with views all over the place.

Vance Boelter has had multiple appointments to the State Workforce Development Board. He has been a member of that board since 2016, one of 41 such members who incidentally included one of his victims. You can read more about him here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/14/us/politics/minnesota-shootings-gunman-suspect.html

You may notice that his list of intended victims included abortion providers and abortion supporters. He was a former preacher in Africa and held strong anti LGBTQ views along with strong anti abortion views.

He has been caught.

Not an illegal immigrant, not a Latino, not a member of a minority group!

A white anti-abortion guy.

With many more on his hit-list!

Guess we all know who to blame for this!

Bu...bu...bu...bu... Elon Musk blames it on the "far left" O_O

https://dnyuz.com/2025/06/14/musk-mocked-for-calling-anti-abortion-dem-killer-far-left/

Who is funding and orchestrating this massive "No Kings" operation?

While out at our town's No Kings demonstration we were asking each other jokingly "hey, who paid you to be here?" It is such a ridiculous way of thinking.

Good job, mainland Americans. Defending those immigrants in need who come to the US illegally and encouraging more to break the laws, encouraging more looting, more vandalizing and more violence including murder. 

I don't see immigrants doing any looting or vandalizing. The ones I know are too busy working two jobs, one full time and one part time with the spouse working another full time job while trying to raise a family to be out causing problems. The immigrants I know are honest and work harder than anyone I know born here.. I get tired of seeing immigrants run down. My grandparents suffered the same abuse and my wife is often treated badly by her employer because she is not born here. I'd rather have an illegal immigrant for a neighbor than someone who so dislikes immigrants.

We had close to 250 in our little desert town at our No Kings demonstration. Two of our city council members were walking around talking to us. The great majority of the feedback from passing cars in the 2 1/2 hours I was out there was positive. Only saw two middle fingers and two thumbs down, and a couple of vulgar comments. Most drivers honked, waved and gave us a thumbs up. Truck drivers especially seemed to appreciate us. There were six pro-Trump counter demonstrators but they kind of sulked off to one side not really at the curb as if unsure what to do. Many of the demonstrators were quite old. It was a good crowd.

We have a blanket on top of all the bedding for the pets to snooze on and it's fine. A sleeping dog has never caused me to loose sleeps. Very little does, except maybe those 1:00 am zoomies by our two cats..

Trump wants PEACE in the Mid East, especially to help the Palestinians achieve a more hopeful future, but the pressing matter has always been Iran's nuclear ambitions

I guess that explains the new US Ambassador to Israel telling the press that the US no longer thinks there can be a Palestinian state in Palestine suggesting Arab nations should give up land for the Palestinians to live in.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-mike-huckabee-deep-doubts-palestinian-state-muslim-neighbours-could-give-land

No, they’re trying to kill the threat that is Hamas, I’m all for that.

You are not paying attention to what is happening in the West Bank. Israeli settlers are murdering Palestinians and burning their homes. It is a full on pogrom against the Palestinians by mostly Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews.

I should have said at best Israel can delay Iran's nuclear program and the bomb is the GBU-57, not GPU. Sorry for the errors.

That's why USA won't dare attack NK. 

The US won't attack DPRK because about half the South Korean population lives within range of North Korean artillery and rockets. Estimates of South Korean casualties on the first day of a resumption of hostilities are on the order of 100,000 per hour. Per hour. Nobody on the US or South Korean side has any appetite for initiating that kind of bloodshed. Much of the South Korean population is concentrated around Seoul and Incheon and they live in big high rise complexes each with thousands to tens of thousands of residents. The threat is not North Korean nuclear weapons so much as their heavy concentration of well dug in artillery and rockets just across the DMZ from South Korea that would ravage Seoul and Incheon in the opening hours of a second Korean War.

No, Israel is not trying to kill Muslims or any Muslim nation;

The Israelis are very much trying to kill off the Palestinians and take their land.

I think Israel is making a strategic mistake. First, Israel lacks weapons capable of defeating Iran's most deeply buried nuclear sites. Israel doesn't have a combat jet capable of carrying the kinds of heavy ordnance necessary to get at Iran's best protected sites. Only the USAF has that, namely the B-2 and the 13,600 kg GPU-57. As a result Israel cannot fully destroy Iran's nuclear program. They can only destroy surface targets and targets buried a few meters beneath the surface. At best they can Iran's nuclear weapons program but they cannot destroy the most important facilities because they are just too far underground.

The second part of their error was they have now ruined any chance of a negotiated end to Iran's nuclear program, which I firmly believe was their overarching goal. What this will do, however, is harden Iran's resolve and cause Iran to cross the threshold to building actual nuclear weapons. Moreover the lessons of this attack will force them to bury everything as deeply as possible including the power stations and water reservoirs so Israel and the USAF cannot touch their rebuilt facilities.

An engine change on a modern fighter is accomplished in a day or less with a well trained crew. Don't know about Chinese aircraft carriers but the US Navy carries spare engines and has a test stand for them on the fantail where they can do full power turns before re-installing an engine after a repair.

Seems odd how the Chinese fighters look just like American F-15s. Just try to claim they didn't steal the classified plans? Try.

Well, for one thing the Shenyang J-15 is based on an unfinished Russian Sukoi SU-33 obtained from Ukraine and modified by the Chinese for use on aircraft carriers. It is not an F-15 copy by any stretch of the imagination. They might be superficially similar but they are vastly different aircraft.

Why is it that there are only two nations known for hostile behavior like this?

Lol. The Turkish and Greek navies have similar standoffs in the eastern Med. Both nations have overlapping maritime territorial water and EEZ claims among the many islands, especially those owned by Greece that are immediately off the coast of Turkiye. Their navies shadow box and the Turks defy the Greeks by exploring for oil in waters claimed by Greece ( not so different from what China does in Vietnam's EEZ ). India has what the US considers to be illegal territorial waters claims off the Andaman Islands. Oman and Iran have long standing disputes over territorial waters in the Straits of Hormuz. These kinds of disputes are ubiquitous.

They flew an offensive military aircraft into the buffer zone of two aircraft carrier groups operating legally in international waters.

There are no "buffer zones" around ships at sea. The Soviets and Russians routinely flew/fly Bear and May patrol planes over our aircraft carriers while underway and I have personally flown over Soviet warships and auxiliaries. Normal stuff at sea. Perfectly legal. All in a days work. We had a treaty with the Soviets that detailed how each side was to conduct themselves when in contact with each other. The Soviets mostly followed the rules, though there were occasions of them lasing some cockpits temporarily blinding aircrew but otherwise everyone was professional. But the idea that there is some sort of buffer zone around another nations warships while at sea is pure fantasy. It doesn't exist.