Underworld comments

Fos

The truth is Ukraine and Ukrainians continue to suffer the consequences of this massacre. And the conflict is a dangerous, unwinnable proxy war undertaken by the Washington against Russia.

Undertaken by Russia against Ukraine.

Blacklabel

Everyone denied entry to our country now gets a trial? Not how it works in USA.

Sure, but someone who already has been allowed entry and has a visa should have a trial if they are to revoke it contrary to the first amendment.

I thought you right wingers loved the Constitution.

Blacklabel

How did you determine that?

The same way that ICE did with this woman? Arbitrarily and without evidence.

by searching her phone. And seeing pictures. that’s evidence

Evidence without context. Without a trial you can’t prove guilt.

Blacklabel

I believe supporting jihadists will (and should) deny a person entry into our country,

That is against the first amendment.

which is what happened. 

How do you know? There was no trial.

we want proof! Ok, There were pictures on her phone that were examined. 

Free speech. Also, how do you determine why she has those photos? They may be research, etc.

Without charges and a trial, we don’t know.

thats not a crime! Ok, that’s why she is at home with her jihadist buddies now, not in prison. 

Because she was deported illegally.

not “a kidney specialist was denied entry!!!” as was disingenuously posted.

She has a visa.

bass4funk

jihadist sympathizer isn’t a crime 

No, but the potential of it leading to a crime is a much, much higher possibility because most Jihadists want to see the destruction of the US and Israel or can you show me a Jihadist who doesn’t believe in that? If you can show me.

So why wasn’t she given a trial before she was deported?

Blacklabel

jihadist sympathizer isn’t a crime

wow…..so now you support jihadists. 

How did you determine that?

The same way that ICE did with this woman? Arbitrarily and without evidence.

You might just wanna wrap it up while you are losing badly.

I’m not. But if the US is to deport someone, they should have the right to defend themselves, rather than just being deported.

HopeSpringsEternal

VERY Complex War and Peace Negotiation, as clearly Russia feels their "security operation" in Ukraine was "legal" per the UN Charter, that Putin often refers to and not an "invasion". Naturally Kiev/Zelenskyy disagree.

Per UN Charter, Russia’s invasion is illegal.

But in reality, fighting's been going on since 2014 when the Civil War started,

Started by Russia.

escalating into Global Proxy War in early

Not a proxy war.

2022 with Many Dozens of Countries $funding.

Irrelevant.

bass4funk

Now while the courts are looking at this case, if the DOJ can show proof that this woman was a jihadist sympathizer, she's gone for good.

jihadist sympathizer isn’t a crime

The Supreme Court would back the President based on that surmised threat possibility.

They didn’t last time.

Dango bong

firstly, illegal aliens and even legal aliens are guests in the US and have no rights

Incorrect. They have rights.

Blacklabel

He’s doesn’t have the power to designate people as terrorists.

he can designate groups.

What do groups consist of? 

People, ta-da!

How do you know a person is a member of a group?

HopeSpringsEternal

DJT Officially Designated as Terrorists via EO (Executive Action) since starting his second term Jan 20th, TDA, the Venezuelan organized 'gang' members just deported.

Executive, DJT has the POWER to Designate Groups as Terrorists NOT The Courts and DJT has done so.

He’s doesn’t have the power to designate people as terrorists.

Blacklabel

Going to be great to hear from the court about this “auto pen” legality for pardons when Biden wasn’t even at the White House.

Autopens are legal. But if you want to know whether Biden knowingly pardoned them, just ask him.

HopeSpringsEternal

DJT Officially Designated as Terrorists via EO (Executive Action) since starting his second term Jan 20th. TDA, the Venezuelan organized 'gang' members just deported.

He can’t. He doesn’t have the power. Only a court can determine the innocence or guilt of the people involved.

HopeSpringsEternal

JT readers should understand that Russia/Putin deem it's "Security Operation" fundamentally as assisting people in Ukraine, Russian speaking former Ukrainians, involved in a longstanding civil war starting in 2014 due to their human, property and voting rights being taken away.

Putin is helping people in the Donbas by smashing their cities to dust (e.g., Bakhmut).

Russia started the war in 2014 by sending in troops.

Putin also deems it Legal Assistance per UN charter.

That’s bs.

Above, not the "Invasion" Kiev/Zelenskyy narrative and WHY this is a Complicated War and Peace Process

It’s not complicated. It’s an imperialistic invasion.

Let's hope someone like DJT, who's independent,

He’s not. He’s in love with Putin.

can find a workable compromise to restore stability and prosperity to Ukraine and thus the broader world.

Unlikely.

HopeSpringsEternal

Courts will sort out the issue of the Power of the President to deport illegal criminal/terrorist immigrants. Surely public safety will be a paramount concern.

Surely the rule of law and innocent until proven guilty are paramount.

For DJT, like election lawfare, it's a legal fight he's happy to have because vast majority of Americans want these 'Designated' Terrorists Deported ASAP.

They aren’t designated terrorists.

bass4funk

"With the discovery of these photographs and videos CHP questioned Dr. Alawieh and determined that her true intentions in the United States could not be determined," the documents allege.

"As such CBP canceled her visa and deemed Dr. Alawieh is inadmissible to the United States."

She hasn’t been charged with anything that would be in violation of her visa. Clearly a violation of the first amendment.

WoodyLee

These NOT migrants, these are Satanic killers and Drugs dealers.

How do you know? There has been no trial to determine this.

bass4funk

I love doctors and have no problem with kidney transplant patients, but I have problem with illegals breaking our sovereign laws, that’s why I love Homen, and support his mission 100%

She wasn’t illegal. She had a valid visa.

bass4funk

I'm not a "Leftist Democrat", but I have no issue with deporting violent criminals. I do have an issue with the Trump admin claiming they deport "violent criminals" without providing any evidence for it.

They did

When was the court hearing?

JJE

There is some legitimate circumstantial evidence that Biden's autopen was being used in an unscrupulous manner.

No there isn’t.

Jay

Wait wait... so the same Leftist Democrats who constantly preach about "justice" and "protecting women" are now up in arms about deporting violent criminals? Fascinating. I guess their concern for public safety DISAPPEARS when it conflicts with their open-borders ideology.

Wait, we don’t know that they are violent criminals.

Tamarama

Let's be honest, Ol' Joe granted some pretty dodgy pardons as he slipped out the door, making 'justice' a fairly loose term in US politics and life.

And now we can see that he had good reason to.

Trump declared Monday he was annulling pardons issued by Joe Biden to shield Trump critics from retribution, claiming that they were invalid because his Democratic predecessor had supposedly used an autopen for his signature.

People were asking why Biden was issuing these pardons in the first place. Now, it’s clear that Trump wants to attack his perceived enemies.

Paul Novax

President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin are expected to speak this week as the U.S. tries to broker a ceasefire in the Russia-Ukraine war, according to Trump special envoy Steve Witkoff.

These are very positive steps to putting an end to this war.

Unlikely.

A ceasefire is better for Russia than it is for Ukraine, so why didn't Russia just accept it? The reason is that Putin isn't interested in peace, but he wants to use the peace process to disrupt Ukraine.

Which won't lead to peace, but he may be able to convince Trump to harm Ukraine.

Fos

Truth is if there had been no decision in April 2008 to enlarge Nato into Ukraine the situation in Europe today and the European Russia relations would look fundamentally different, and we would have a peaceful Europe.

Untrue.

JJE

It's another brick in the false narrative about this being an "unprovoked" conflict falling. That shocking event precipitated the uprisings in the south-east.

This conflict was unprovoked. That isn't a false narrative.

The origins of the civil conflict that provoked outside intervention are complex - the remedies are just as complex.

Russia interfering isn't complex.

Meaningless ceasefires without conditions or obligations are a carefully laid trap. Moscow was correct in sending the ball back with a dose of reality, especially considering how signed ceasefires were abused in 2014, 2015

Abused by Russia.

and there definitely wasn't interest in peace at Istanbul in 2022.

Certainly not by the Russian side.

Mr Kipling

I've been saying since the failed spring offensive that the war was over.

Yes. And without evidence.

The Dombas and south are lost. Crimea was always Russian and would remain so.

Why? Because you say so?

The Ukrainians would get to keep Odesa as Black Sea port and that EVERY death from this point would be a waste. Sadly for some Russians and many more Ukrainians I was correct.

Hasn't been demonstrated.

The fact that you neglect is, that Putin doesn't want peace. You seem to constantly ignore this.

Any of his "peace offers" previously had conditions that Ukraine would never accept.

JJE

Truth is Macron is a professional liar.

Nope.

Russia does not want to attack NATO.

No, but it does want the Baltic states.

Instead it seeks to protect Russian speakers in the south-east, who were abused from 2014 onwards.

Abused by little green men from Russia descending the area into a civil war.

The people of the Donbas can do without Russian terrorists.

Paul Novax

But if you are OK with your human rights being flushed down the toilet...

I'm not the one affiliated with a gang now labeled as a terrorist organization and being deported, so my human rights are alive and well.

How do you know that these people are?

What's stopping you getting picked up mistakenly as member of the gang?

Isn't authoritarianism great?

Blacklabel

then why not follow the existing laws 

such as the Alien Enemies Act of 1798?

That's not an existing law. It has only been invoked during wartime, and even then been highly criticized.

But if you are OK with your human rights being flushed down the toilet...